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Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I feel like you're so close to the point and whole crux of the debate with exactly this, though.

...the world is a big place, with a LOT of people in it, and where there are gaps in the rules (and in legal legislation) that can be exploited with nefarious intent (or even just personal gain/glory) there will be people who will do that. It's not MOST people, most people are not predatory, most people have a sense of fairness, but some don't. A small number of sportspeople who realistically are not competing fairly, will still compete "because the rules say it's allowed". A small number of predatory individuals will exploit access to women's spaces, because they can. It's a small number, most have genuine reasons, but that doesn't matter... where the law allows it, there are people who will exploit it, it's not even a "might".

And this is why feelings and righteousness need to be taken out of the equation and the decisions that are made need to be controlled at rules/legislation level (whether that's sports or women's refuges), and made sensibly with safeguarding (or sporting fairness, in this example) as the primary consideration. Not individual feelings.

I'm not talking about feelings and righteousness. You are.

I am working off of fact - the Olympic Committee rules were you can take part in line with your gender identity. She did.

Can I just remind you that regardless of any hormonal anomaly, she was assigned female at birth and raised as a female. She has female on her birth certificate and always has done, she has female on her passport and always has done. So she participated as a female.

I am sorry to say you are the one letting your feelings get in the way of actual reality.

It's so funny that you support the recent legislation here in the UK, where a woman is based on the sex you are assigned at birth because of biology, and then when someone is assigned female at birth and is raised a female and lived as a female and is and always has been legally a female, and so competes as a female in sporting events because of all of that, suddenly she's not a woman and is in fact taking advantage of a loophole to access women's spaces.

Make it make sense.