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Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

No the reality would be that if allowing transgender individuals to compete in women's sporting events creates a disproportionately skewed competitive field (which it categorically does for any speed/strength based sport, denial of this is straight up gaslighting that I reject entirely), then failing to have legislation in place that prevents this from happening and preserves sporting fairness in favour of being inclusive of a very small percentage of people ... the rational choice is to have that legislation in place.

Just as the rational choice is to place real safeguarding considerations at the forefront of discussions around women's spaces ahead of inclusion and individualism.

I'm not denying that she took part because the rules were that she could take part, and I agree that this was a failing of those responsible for having those rules in place. The rules around all of this have been unclear and incorrect, which is unfair for everyone. I would point out, though, that there has been (and still is) a vast amount of very aggressive campaigning involved in preventing those rules from being altered, LONG after there were clear competitive issues... and again, a denial that these issues even existed that quite blatantly amount to openly gaslighting in favour of inclusivity.

I will admit that I'm not 100% up to date on this specific example, the available information is clear as mud ranging from her being biologically male and incorrectly assigned female at birth, to biologically female with a hormonal issue that triggered male puberty, to born male and full-blown corruption / deliberate fudging of official documents. I suspect the truth (as ever) lies somewhere in the grey area. It's not really relevant though, I'm (being completely frank here) not all that interested in individual examples, so much as the correct decisions being made on a macro level. Fringe examples of inclusivity for one individual does not and never should come before general, sensible fairness practices and safety. It's a bizarre world that's allowed this to happen so often.

Well she isn't trans, she's from a country where it would be illegal to be so. She's lived her entire life as a female and is legally that after having been assigned it at birth.

Regarding the statement that allowing trans women to compete creates a disproportionate competition... sometimes, yes. many other times, no.

Non-Athletic Trans women who have undergone gender affirming treatment often end up with similar body make-up to cis women in terms of lean mass vs fat mass body composition as well as grip strength, which is a widely seen as the illustrator for upper body strength. This is often 25% less than cis men and in line with cis women's grip strength.

As there are so few trans people and such little participation from trans people in professional sport, such research like the above for athletes is slow and rare, and so often organisational bodies in sports will use the above results as a benchmark to determine legislation on trans inclusion in sports.

I personally think the allowance of transgender athletes should be done on a case by case basis on the assessment of their progression in their trans journey and as a result their biological make-up and how it compares with other cis women.

Based on results from research about the effects of gender affirming care and the affect is had on someones physical make up, muscle mass, strength and body composition, to say allowing all trans women to compete in women's sporting events creates a skewed competition in favour of trans women is not true. That sweeping statement is probably what people are denying. People informing you that what you're saying is not correct isn't you being gaslit.