[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You’re mistaking visibility for equality. LGBTQ people might be more seen, but that doesn’t mean the bias is gone. Hate crimes, workplace discrimination, and conversion practices still exist. Legal rights don’t always mean lived equality.

And calling it victimhood when people speak about those realities is lazy. It’s not about collecting pity points. It’s about demanding the same safety and respect everyone else already takes for granted.

I will never understand how that **** is legal.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I will never understand how that **** is legal.

I mean, most gender conversation therapy programs are faith based, with Muslims leading the way by a huge margin at 20% having the service offered (and that was just from those that responded to the study, I have zero doubt it is much higher in reality)

They oppose any ban on conversion therapy because they say that it would infringe on 'traditional religious teachings'.

Interestingly, the Church of England is against it.

Before you listen to a member of the LGBT community on this issue please ask them where they stand on the mass importing of an unreformed bronze age fundamentalist religion into the UK from the Middle-East.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I mean, most gender conversation therapy programs are faith based, with Muslims leading the way by a huge margin at 20% having the service offered (and that was just from those that responded to the study, I have zero doubt it is much higher in reality)

They oppose any ban on conversion therapy because they say that it would infringe on 'traditional religious teachings'.

Interestingly, the Church of England is against it.

Before you listen to a member of the LGBT community on this issue please ask them where they stand on the mass importing of a bronze age fundamentalist religion into the UK from the Middle-East.

That’s a deflection. The problem isn’t imported religion, it’s the practice itself. Conversion therapy is abuse whether it’s done by Muslims, Christians, or anyone else. Pointing to one group’s involvement doesn’t make it less wrong or less dangerous.

And using faith communities as a shield against bans only proves the need for those bans. Human rights shouldn’t bend around religious comfort. No one should be coerced into changing who they are, full stop.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

That’s a deflection. The problem isn’t imported religion, it’s the practice itself. Conversion therapy is abuse whether it’s done by Muslims, Christians, or anyone else.

See, what you are doing here is rationalising the contradiction between defending a fundamentalist religion that hasn't changed since the Bronze Age, including it's views on LGBT, and progressive Western values.

The point is that importing MORE of a faith that is actively and openly against your progressive values en mass over a short period of time is severe self harm.

52% of Muslims in the UK don't even think homosexuality should be legal.

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Human rights shouldn’t bend around religious comfort. No one should be coerced into changing who they are, full stop.

I agree.

It's not me that you need to convince of this.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Withano

But for what it’s worth - and maybe I’ve forgotten.

I think you’re referring to a group consisting of zelah Sam fayeshola jenny Cameron teja- and I’m only aware of 2 in 6 identifying as lgbtq+?

Whilst another member of the lgbtq+ (Nancy) feels closer to Cameron Tate Marcus Elsa

So, basically I think your narrative is trash and your counting skills are worse

Teja said she didn't even know much about the lgbtq community too

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Beso

There isn't an exclusive heterosexual group though.

What is the wolf pack thing then?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

What is the wolf pack thing then?

3 guys that are being austrocised by everyone else.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Beso

3 guys that are being austrocised by everyone else.

Its self inflicted though especially when Marcus and Tate ( in particular) are influenced even controlled by that lump-head Cameron who because he’s continually bored just annoys , upsets or intimidates just about everyone including his two hapless followers


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[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Beso

3 guys that are being austrocised by everyone else.

Well that's just a total rewriting of what actually happened. They gravitated towards each other and formed a clique very early on, it wasn't the result of being ostracised whatsoever.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Well that's just a total rewriting of what actually happened. They gravitated towards each other and formed a clique very early on, it wasn't the result of being ostracised whatsoever.

The others have ostracised them for doing that. Or that's what it looked like until Nancy spilt the beans to Cameron B last night. Which I've just seen.

So maybe you're right.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Beso

3 guys that are being austrocised by everyone else.

They started the group thing by calling themselves the wolf pack in the first few days. Plus they are ****ing awful and bring it on themselves.

Edit: Actually just Cameron B and Marcus are awful. Tate is just bland but seems nice enough so far.

[Shaun]

guys can we stop pointing out that the straight guys formed a group first, it is really obscuring the suffering and plight that heterosexual men have to face everywhere online in queer communities they voluntarily intrude upon and annoy

[Beso]

Now now Shaun, we don't want to go down the TIBB gays only route.

The thread will just end up closed.


Prity funny post though.

[Beso]

In my defence, it seems to be our group or **** off now that cam B and his loud voice have left.

No George either.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

They started the group thing by calling themselves the wolf pack in the first few days. Plus they are ****ing awful and bring it on themselves.

Edit: Actually just Cameron B and Marcus are awful. Tate is just bland but seems nice enough so far.

Yeah but the gays

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I mean, most gender conversation therapy programs are faith based, with Muslims leading the way by a huge margin at 20% having the service offered (and that was just from those that responded to the study, I have zero doubt it is much higher in reality)

They oppose any ban on conversion therapy because they say that it would infringe on 'traditional religious teachings'.

Interestingly, the Church of England is against it.

Before you listen to a member of the LGBT community on this issue please ask them where they stand on the mass importing of an unreformed bronze age fundamentalist religion into the UK from the Middle-East.

This is why I struggle with organized religion sometimes, because some of the leaders of a Religion will abuse the teachings to justify hatred of the other.

And I can believe it with Islam tbh, as we know that they do have a contingent of their community that are extremely Homophobic.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Its self inflicted though especially when Marcus and Tate ( in particular) are influenced even controlled by that lump-head Cameron who because he’s continually bored just annoys , upsets or intimidates just about everyone including his two hapless followers


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How do you explain Teja disliking Tate more than Cameron B?

For some reason the three guys in general can't seem to get along with Feyisola, Teja, and possibly Zelah.

And tbf it seems like the feeling is very much mutual.

[Abra]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Exclusion over the last 20 years has actively been classed as a form of hate... Now that the LGBT community have power, it suddenly switches to 'self protection and comfort'.

But, look... If a Christian community, for example, banned trans people from a space on the grounds of self protection and comfort they would be attacked as bigots.

The mocking of Carol based on her age was a separate example of the double standards and hypocrisy of that group. I didn't mean to imply it was the same thing as the happy exclusion of others from their ingroup.

How did they "ban" people from a space for not being LGBTQ when Jenny and Teja were also there?

I think you're confused about what you watched.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It was a meeting of the woke mind virus crew and Teja and Jenny are part of that gang

[Abra]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Where did I even say that in the post of mine that you quoted?

I think you need to work on your reading comprehension.

You compared it to a Christian community banning trans people from a space. If you weren't referring to last night's episode of Big Brother, then where did that comparison come from? Reading comprehension is fine, your points just don't make a lot of sense.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Abra

How did they "ban" people from a space for not being LGBTQ when Jenny and Teja were also there?

I think you're confused about what you watched.

We clearly use LGBT here as a shorthand. It clearly includes approved allies.

I am sorry, I assumed that people would be bright enough to understand that, outside of pedantic gotchaisms.

[Abra]

Originally Posted by vesavius

We clearly use LGBT here as a shorthand. It clearly includes approved allies.

I am sorry, I assumed that people would be bright enough to understand that, outside of pedantic gotchaisms.

Just because someone dismantled your point with ease doesn't mean you need to resort to personal attacks, dear. Just do better next time.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Abra

You compared it to a Christian community banning trans people from a space. If you weren't referring to last night's episode of Big Brother, then where did that comparison come from? Reading comprehension is fine, your points just don't make a lot of sense.

Did you read the whole conversation? Do I need to explain the meaning of context to you?

You clearly missed what was being said in context of the entire conversation, to just then complain that it 'doesn't make sense'.

It did, you just didn't understand it.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Abra

Just because someone dismantled your point with ease doesn't mean you need to resort to personal attacks, dear. Just do better next time.

OK, point taken, next time I will not assume a level of comprehension and will detail every single point out so that some of the slower members can understand.

'dismantled'

[Abra]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Did you read the whole conversation? Do I need to explain the meaning of context to you?

You clearly missed what was being said in context of the entire conversation, to just then complain that it 'doesn't make sense'.

It did, you just didn't understand it.

I responded to a specific comment you made.

You implied that the Zelah/Feyisola group had banned people from a space in the house because they were not LGBTQ. When that was proven to be patently untrue you started this mental gymnastics and random attacks about how someone can't read or whatever just because they pointed out that what you said was incorrect. Sorry that it bothered you so much.