[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You’re mistaking visibility for equality. LGBTQ people might be more seen, but that doesn’t mean the bias is gone. Hate crimes, workplace discrimination, and conversion practices still exist. Legal rights don’t always mean lived equality.

And calling it victimhood when people speak about those realities is lazy. It’s not about collecting pity points. It’s about demanding the same safety and respect everyone else already takes for granted.

I will never understand how that **** is legal.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I will never understand how that **** is legal.

I mean, most gender conversation therapy programs are faith based, with Muslims leading the way by a huge margin at 20% having the service offered (and that was just from those that responded to the study, I have zero doubt it is much higher in reality)

They oppose any ban on conversion therapy because they say that it would infringe on 'traditional religious teachings'.

Interestingly, the Church of England is against it.

Before you listen to a member of the LGBT community on this issue please ask them where they stand on the mass importing of an unreformed bronze age fundamentalist religion into the UK from the Middle-East.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I mean, most gender conversation therapy programs are faith based, with Muslims leading the way by a huge margin at 20% having the service offered (and that was just from those that responded to the study, I have zero doubt it is much higher in reality)

They oppose any ban on conversion therapy because they say that it would infringe on 'traditional religious teachings'.

Interestingly, the Church of England is against it.

Before you listen to a member of the LGBT community on this issue please ask them where they stand on the mass importing of a bronze age fundamentalist religion into the UK from the Middle-East.

That’s a deflection. The problem isn’t imported religion, it’s the practice itself. Conversion therapy is abuse whether it’s done by Muslims, Christians, or anyone else. Pointing to one group’s involvement doesn’t make it less wrong or less dangerous.

And using faith communities as a shield against bans only proves the need for those bans. Human rights shouldn’t bend around religious comfort. No one should be coerced into changing who they are, full stop.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

That’s a deflection. The problem isn’t imported religion, it’s the practice itself. Conversion therapy is abuse whether it’s done by Muslims, Christians, or anyone else.

See, what you are doing here is rationalising the contradiction between defending a fundamentalist religion that hasn't changed since the Bronze Age, including it's views on LGBT, and progressive Western values.

The point is that importing MORE of a faith that is actively and openly against your progressive values en mass over a short period of time is severe self harm.

52% of Muslims in the UK don't even think homosexuality should be legal.

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Human rights shouldn’t bend around religious comfort. No one should be coerced into changing who they are, full stop.

I agree.

It's not me that you need to convince of this.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I mean, most gender conversation therapy programs are faith based, with Muslims leading the way by a huge margin at 20% having the service offered (and that was just from those that responded to the study, I have zero doubt it is much higher in reality)

They oppose any ban on conversion therapy because they say that it would infringe on 'traditional religious teachings'.

Interestingly, the Church of England is against it.

Before you listen to a member of the LGBT community on this issue please ask them where they stand on the mass importing of an unreformed bronze age fundamentalist religion into the UK from the Middle-East.

This is why I struggle with organized religion sometimes, because some of the leaders of a Religion will abuse the teachings to justify hatred of the other.

And I can believe it with Islam tbh, as we know that they do have a contingent of their community that are extremely Homophobic.