[InOne]

Well?

[Sticks]

This is the same as could God create a square circle, a logical absurdity

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Sticks

This is the same as could God create a square circle, a logical absurdity

Its not, because creating a stone thats too heavy to lift IS a possibility

[setanta]

Yep, it's called Marcus. I just had a flashback to six months ago there, sorry.

[InOne]

Nice to see that 'When will IloveDC come back' got more replies than this. Guess i'm dealing with idiocy.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by InOne

Nice to see that 'When will IloveDC come back' got more replies than this. Guess i'm dealing with idiocy.

What's the story with you Joseph? In a fouler or something?

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Tom

Its not, because creating a stone thats too heavy to lift IS a possibility

Not for an omnipotent being it isn't.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by setanta

What's the story with you Joseph? In a fouler or something?

Nah, god know what I was expecting from a BB forum lol

[InOne]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Not for an omnipotent being it isn't.

Well said, ergo - god is impossible.

[InOne]

It's an old argument, but not heard any argument to refute it ever.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well said, ergo - god is impossible.

Nothing all-powerful could diminish its own power. From the same a priori reasoning, nothing perfect could be nonexistant. It would be an imperfection.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Nothing all-powerful could diminish its own power. From the same a priori reasoning, nothing omnipotent could be nonexistant. It would be an imperfection.

Which leads to the idea that a god itself is pretty much a contradiction.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by InOne

Which leads to the idea that a god itself is pretty much a contradiction.

Only an empirical contradiction, not a logical one and pure logic exists independently of our senses. I would argue, as some others might, that the statement that God exists is every bit as true as the proposition that a triangle always consists of three sides.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Only an empirical contradiction, not a logical one and pure logic exists independently of our senses. I would argue, as some others might, that the statement that God exists is every bit as true as the proposition that a triangle always consists of three sides.

Not the Humans perception of God, or the God of Religion, you are touching at Deism there.

[Jords]

If Im understanding it properly, yeah.

You can make a small snowball, and pick it up, put keep rolling that snowball so it gets bigger and bigger, then you cannot.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

This is the same as could God create a square circle, a logical absurdity

Sticks


Slap your self into the Real World



There Is No God
Utter Fact.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Not for an omnipotent being it isn't.

Theres no such thing because either way with the scenario it results in something he can't do. Therefore God is not omnipotent.

[InOne]

It a realistic sense, it is impossible to be omnipotent.

[Crimson Dynamo]

First, there is a problem with the premise of the question. While it is true that God can do anything that is consistent with His nature, it is absurd to suggest that He can do everything: God cannot lie (Heb. 6:18), He cannot be tempted (James 1:13), and He cannot cease to exist (Ps. 102:25–27). Furthermore, just as it is impossible to make a one-sided triangle, so it is impossible to make a rock too heavy to be moved. What an all-powerful God can create He can obviously move. Put another way, God can do everything that is logically possible. Finally, we should note that a wide variety of similar questions are raised to undermine the Christian view of God. Thus, it is crucial that we learn to question the question rather than assuming the question is valid.


Bible Answer man
volume 1

[lily.]

MY OPINION:

There is no god.
There are rocks.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What an all-powerful God can create He can obviously move.

And therefore he cannot create what he cannot move - which is the paradox.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lili

MY OPINION:

There is no god.
There are rocks.

I would imagine that the god that you do not believe in did not exist in the first place.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shaun

And therefore he cannot create what he cannot move - which is the paradox.

there is no paradox, the question is simply invalid. Your assumption of a valid question is incorrect.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

First, there is a problem with the premise of the question. While it is true that God can do anything that is consistent with His nature, it is absurd to suggest that He can do everything: God cannot lie (Heb. 6:18), He cannot be tempted (James 1:13), and He cannot cease to exist (Ps. 102:25–27). Furthermore, just as it is impossible to make a one-sided triangle, so it is impossible to make a rock too heavy to be moved. What an all-powerful God can create He can obviously move. Put another way, God can do everything that is logically possible. Finally, we should note that a wide variety of similar questions are raised to undermine the Christian view of God. Thus, it is crucial that we learn to question the question rather than assuming the question is valid.


Bible Answer man
volume 1

Philosophical answer because otherwise its logic- 1, religion- 0. Comparing it to the triangle argument is ridiculous, because whilst you can't make a 2 sided triangle or whatever, you CAN make a rock thats too heavy, or you can't do it. So either way he isn't omnipotent.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Tom

Philosophical answer because otherwise its logic- 1, religion- 0.

its just a bogus question however you try to dress it up

and a very old one at that