[Angus]

Funny how criminals can break the law with impunity, can assault and kill, steal other people's property, burglarise other people's homes, kidnap, rape and abduct children and then when they are caught they are able to invoke THEIR human rights. It is the height of hypocrisy to break the law, then be able to invoke its protection and privileges

As far as I'm concerned all criminals should forfeit any recourse to Human Rights or any other Rights enshrined in Law. A criminal act is, after all, an invasion and abuse of someone else's human rights. Instead of Human Rights legisation we should have a Bill of Rights that gives protection and privileges to the law abiding people of this country, that can only be invoked so long as people adhere to their responsibilities to be good citizens.

[Tom]

They shouldn't. Think of the cost cutting that would happen in prisons if they never had comfy beds, toilet/shower facilities etc and weren't fed too often. Plus space saving too because some of them would die and some people wouldn't end up there in the first place.

Make prison hell

After all if you're a rapist or a murderer or something you've probably ruined a life so deserve yours ruining too

[Shaun]

Guess you don't believe in rehabilitation then.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Guess you don't believe in rehabilitation then.

Nah, once a criminal always a criminal.

If they realised something was genuinely that bad then they wouldn't have done it in the first place. A criminal's only regret is being caught. Not the crime.

[King Gizzard]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Guess you don't believe in rehabilitation then.

This


Plus every criminal would have to be dealt with on the terms of what he done

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

Funny how criminals can break the law with impunity, can assault and kill, steal other people's property, burglarise other people's homes, kidnap, rape and abduct children and then when they are caught they are able to invoke THEIR human rights. It is the height of hypocrisy to break the law, then be able to invoke its protection and privileges

As far as I'm concerned all criminals should forfeit any recourse to Human Rights or any other Rights enshrined in Law. A criminal act is, after all, an invasion and abuse of someone else's human rights. Instead of Human Rights legisation we should have a Bill of Rights that gives protection and privileges to the law abiding people of this country, that can only be invoked so long as people adhere to their responsibilities to be good citizens.

So you agree with the death penalty?

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

So you agree with the death penalty?

YES for certain crimes. No matter what the mealy mouthed liberals say, without any realistic deterrent (prison sentences in this country are laughable), criminals have little to fear. Where there is irrefutable DNA evidence, for example, a murderer should pay for their crime. Instead of which the do gooders fall over themselves to excuse and "understand" criminal behaviour whilst the impact on the lives of the victims and their families is sidelined. There are some crimes for which rehabilitation is inappropriate and murder (particularly the murder of a child) is definitely one of them.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by InOne

So you agree with the death penalty?

I do. For murderers. Eye for an eye.

I also think men who rape, should have their bits cut off. And women who do (though its rare) should be sewn up...sorry couldnt think of a better way to put it :/

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

YES for certain crimes. No matter what the mealy mouthed liberals say, without any realistic deterrent (prison sentences in this country are laughable), criminals have little to fear. Where there is irrefutable DNA evidence, for example, a murderer should pay for their crime. Instead of which the do gooders fall over themselves to excuse and "understand" criminal behaviour whilst the impact on the lives of the victims and their families is sidelined. There are some crimes for which rehabilitation is inappropriate and murder (particularly the murder of a child) is definitely one of them.

There is no real evidence that the death penalty prevents crime, or even saves money. It's is basically fufilling basic human urge for blood.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

I do. For murderers. Eye for an eye.

I also think men who rape, should have their bits cut off. And women who do (though its rare) should be sewn up...sorry couldnt think of a better way to put it :/

Murder is pretty subjective though really...

[Harry!]

A eye for a eye I say. If you kill someone you to should be killed too. If you rob your house too should be robbed. The law is too soft and pc its unbeliveable. Bring back the death penalty!

[Angus]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

I do. For murderers. Eye for an eye.

I also think men who rape, should have their bits cut off. And women who do (though its rare) should be sewn up...sorry couldnt think of a better way to put it :/

Absolutely right. The crime that gets me really hot under the collar is child rape and murder, cowardly depraved acts of unthinkable cruelty on victims who had no hope or chance of escape, and sometimes by people they loved and trusted. I'm not interested in rehabilitating such scum, just of ridding this planet of them. It makes my blood boil to think that the scum who killed Baby P and the poor kid's vile excuse for a mother are still living and breathing after what they put that child through before he died.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

I do. For murderers. Eye for an eye.

I also think men who rape, should have their bits cut off. And women who do (though its rare) should be sewn up...sorry couldnt think of a better way to put it :/

... without anasthetic and with rusty/unsterilised equipment

I think murderers should be killed but in a horrific way like locking them in a padded cupboard with nothing and letting them starve to death and die in their own waste

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

Murder is pretty subjective though really...

Not for the Victim.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

Not for the Victim.

So if a man is about to rape a womans child and she has to use all her force to stop him doing it, and ends up killing him, should she be killed? No, of course not. Therefore murder is subjective.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by InOne

So if a man is about to rape a womans child and she has to use all her force to stop him doing it, and ends up killing him, should she be killed? No, of course not. Therefore murder is subjective.

But if the woman wasn't strong enough and she was the one that ended up dead ...?

I think you need to draw a line at common sense- if I had my way that sort of murder you could get away with.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Tom

But if the woman wasn't strong enough and she was the one that ended up dead ...?

I think you need to draw a line at common sense- if I had my way that sort of murder you could get away with.

But things like that do happen, so you can't just simply say, "A life for a life"

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Tom

Nah, once a criminal always a criminal.

If they realised something was genuinely that bad then they wouldn't have done it in the first place. A criminal's only regret is being caught. Not the crime.

That's ridiculous.

On a personal level - some time last year I technically committed a crime that pretty much ruined a friendship of mine [i don't know if you know the details, but for it's public knowledge, I believe I posted it in a blog of mine] - for me the regret is definitely not the being-caught aspect. Every time I think of what I did, I cringe. You learn and move on.

Of course that's not always the case, as some criminals don't feel remorse, but neither is the opposite always the case.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by InOne

But things like that do happen, so you can't just simply say, "A life for a life"

I don't think "a life for a life" ever explicitly refers to that anyway, its just in general. 90% of murders will be in cold blood, not accidental in defence.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Shaun

That's ridiculous.

On a personal level - some time last year I technically committed a crime that pretty much ruined a friendship of mine [i don't know if you know the details, but for it's public knowledge, I believe I posted it in a blog of mine] - for me the regret is definitely not the being-caught aspect. Every time I think of what I did, I cringe. You learn and move on.

Of course that's not always the case, as some criminals don't feel remorse, but neither is the opposite always the case.

Most criminals don't feel remorse. Thats a fact. In the UK the reoffending rate is 50-75%. That speaks for itself.

[Shaun]

Do back that up with figures then, please.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Tom

I don't think "a life for a life" ever explicitly refers to that anyway, its just in general. 90% of murders will be in cold blood, not accidental in defence.

Who knows, but killing people does not bring those they killed back. And there is no guarantee the family would even feel better with them dead anyway.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by InOne

Who knows, but killing people does not bring those they killed back. And there is no guarantee the family would even feel better with them dead anyway.

However there IS guarantee that they would not serve their paltry 7 years or so and then murder again.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Do back that up with figures then, please.

Edited in. For those who committed a crime as a teenager, the reoffending rate is about 75%, and 50% of those reoffend again aged 30+.

I'll try and find the source (it was the Home Office I know that but can't pin point it atm), I just remember the figures from some coursework I did on it. It also shows that crimes escalate, e.g. you might start off at burglary but because you're not arsed about anything it progressively gets worse and worse.

EDIT- Found it, it was in a book though. Its from 2001 and crime rates have gone up since then ...

[InOne]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

However there IS guarantee that they would not serve their paltry 7 years or so and then murder again.

True I guess, but I doubt alot of people are thinking about other people when calling for the death penatly. Also, death row would be crammed. But still, it goes not give us the right to choose a life, and they would be getting alot easier death than the victim did.