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Angus · 02-02-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

So you agree with the death penalty?

YES for certain crimes. No matter what the mealy mouthed liberals say, without any realistic deterrent (prison sentences in this country are laughable), criminals have little to fear. Where there is irrefutable DNA evidence, for example, a murderer should pay for their crime. Instead of which the do gooders fall over themselves to excuse and "understand" criminal behaviour whilst the impact on the lives of the victims and their families is sidelined. There are some crimes for which rehabilitation is inappropriate and murder (particularly the murder of a child) is definitely one of them.

InOne · 02-02-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58

YES for certain crimes. No matter what the mealy mouthed liberals say, without any realistic deterrent (prison sentences in this country are laughable), criminals have little to fear. Where there is irrefutable DNA evidence, for example, a murderer should pay for their crime. Instead of which the do gooders fall over themselves to excuse and "understand" criminal behaviour whilst the impact on the lives of the victims and their families is sidelined. There are some crimes for which rehabilitation is inappropriate and murder (particularly the murder of a child) is definitely one of them.

There is no real evidence that the death penalty prevents crime, or even saves money. It's is basically fufilling basic human urge for blood.

Harry! · 02-02-2010, 05:31 PM

A eye for a eye I say. If you kill someone you to should be killed too. If you rob your house too should be robbed. The law is too soft and pc its unbeliveable. Bring back the death penalty!

Angus · 02-02-2010, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

There is no real evidence that the death penalty prevents crime, or even saves money. It's is basically fufilling basic human urge for blood.

I am not advocating the death penalty to "save money" but to fulfil natural justice. The punishment SHOULD fit the crime. Our justice system is pathetic- awarding so called "life" sentences for the most heinous crimes when in reality murderers can be released in as little as 10 years - their victims on the other hand have had the WHOLE of the rest of their lives stolen from them and their deaths have drastically affected the lives of their families and friends. If a "life" sentence IS imposed then it should be in a prison without any comforts or privileges, otherwise where is the penalty for committing the ultimate crime?

InOne · 02-02-2010, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58

I am not advocating the death penalty to "save money" but to fulfil natural justice. The punishment SHOULD fit the crime. Our justice system is pathetic- awarding so called "life" sentences for the most heinous crimes when in reality murderers can be released in as little as 10 years - their victims on the other hand have had the WHOLE of the rest of their lives stolen from them and their deaths have drastically affected the lives of their families and friends. If a "life" sentence IS imposed then it should be in a prison without any comforts or privileges, otherwise where is the penalty for committing the ultimate crime?

I agree that prisons are probably way too comfy. And I don't care what happens to people on the inside at the hands of other cons ect. But maybe they should look at improving the law, longer sentences, also the prisons, tougher regimes, longer hours lock away, make it basic, real hard time. Also they could have better rehabilitation programmes, and if some are failing, kick them off it and give the ones who want to do it a chance. I just don't think we should jump straight to the death penalty.

Angus · 02-02-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

I agree that prisons are probably way too comfy. And I don't care what happens to people on the inside at the hands of other cons ect. But maybe they should look at improving the law, longer sentences, also the prisons, tougher regimes, longer hours lock away, make it basic, real hard time. Also they could have better rehabilitation programmes, and if some are failing, kick them off it and give the ones who want to do it a chance. I just don't think we should jump straight to the death penalty.

So what do you think should have been the appropriate sentence for Baby P's murderer?

InOne · 02-02-2010, 06:02 PM

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So what do you think should have been the appropriate sentence for Baby P's murderer?

They might never get out, and I think they will both end up in Broadmoor for the rest of their lives. Especially Barker, a sexual sadist, no way will they let him back into the public.

Tom · 02-02-2010, 06:06 PM

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They might never get out, and I think they will both end up in Broadmoor for the rest of their lives. Especially Barker, a sexual sadist, no way will they let him back into the public.

They whinge about how its too expensive to keep criminals. Potentially they are keeping him for life at a cost of around £26,000 per year which I'm sure many tax payers are against. Wouldn't it just be easier and more economic just to kill him?

Angus · 02-02-2010, 06:13 PM

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They might never get out, and I think they will both end up in Broadmoor for the rest of their lives. Especially Barker, a sexual sadist, no way will they let him back into the public.

Yet he's sane enough to make 8 separate attempts to have his rape trial thrown out by the Old Bailey - the victim was 2 years old at the time. At no time have his lawyers pleaded insanity as a defence, so we have to assume he is simply an evil, scum of the earth bastard who does not deserve to be kept at tax payers' expense for the next 10, 20, whatever years.

The mother who stood by and did nothing to save her defenceless son from months of unspeakable torture got just 3 years, and she has accepted no responsibility for his death, instead whinging about how going to prison has messed up HER life. The least that should be done is to sterilise this inhuman bitch so she can never breed again. As far as I'm concerned she is as guilty as the step father who killed him, in some ways more so because she betrayed her child in the most callous way imaginable.