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Old 23-02-2010, 02:04 AM #11
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The nature of Jesus' divinity was asserted by Saul of Tarsus later St Paul. Jesus never said he was God incarnate. Other religious including early christian sects at the time that knew of Jesus and his ministry were later declared heretic, outlaw and suppressed. Take for example Gnostics, Essenes, Donatists.. to name a few.

Incidentally the Nicene Creed came about in 325AD/CE after the first ecumenical council.
Yes but all you are doing is proving out what I told you.
First off - part of the reason YOU EVEN KNOW about early Christian sects (and gnostics definitely make up a lot of them) is because this is not only referred to in the New Testament itself,
but,
also because early church leaders (before Nicea) wrote about them, wrote about where they went wrong and wrote about how they were NOT squaring with the church at large or the leadership,
and
if you ever want confirmation on that then you get Nicea where it starts with almost every representative from every region ALREADY understanding.. as a 'given'... that Jesus is God incarnate.
In fact the 'big debate' is over Arius and a couple of his friends who DONT actually deny anything,
but,
have some nearly 'definition games' over just what exactly 'essence' might mean.

And a reminder that listing exceptions to the rule - proves the rule.
You can list me Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and keep going with handfuls of little cults
(if you list names it makes it sound more over-whelming),
but,
65 wacky fringe denominations don't change the fact that some 1 billion people from Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Presbys, Lutherans, Methodists... really any and all massive main denominations all agree on the Divinity of Christ.
It might even be a rare thing we all DO entirely agree on.

To say "every christian has a different idea of this" is about as wrong as wrong can get.
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