[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I am referring to the men and the women here.

I really did know of a man left holding the baby. I mean we are talking almost immediately. I seem to recall there was actual problems with replacing the breast feeding (which he obviously could not do),
and,
yes, he was absolutely a father and just fully invested and psyched and had all these exciting plans for the kids.

I'd like to know what you make of the male who is not holding the baby (inside) when it comes to these adverts?
Is he informed?
does he get any say in the baby's life or death here?
Why not?
Will anyone stop 'controlling him' by withholding information about where he can go for the psychological trauma he may experience upon finding out his baby was killed?
What about him waking up in night terrors of his mutilated baby wanting Daddy to protect it?

What is your take on this - where do fathers rights come into this and why is the advert only about the mother and what she wants and doesn't want for herself?

Although I understand your point that in an ideal world the man should have a say - but the woman has to have the bigger say - as it is, as you say, her body that has to give birth and take the necessary health risks! There simply is no way round that! You can't cater for the wishes of both - if they disagree!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Although I understand your point that in an ideal world the man should have a say - but the woman has to have the bigger say - as it is, as you say, her body that has to give birth and take the necessary health risks! There simply is no way round that! You can't cater for the wishes of both - if they disagree!

Of course it will always be that way because it is the womans body, but what about cases where the woman wants to keep the baby but the man doesnt want or need the financial commitment.

Shouldn't the man have the right to insist on the woman having an abortion? That would be equal rights wouldnt it? After all the woman decides to go through with the pregnancy the man may resent the child as being an unneccessary financial burden. Why should he have to have 18 years of direct debits for a simple 10 minute(if he was lucky) knee trembler at the back of a nighclub?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Of course it will always be that way because it is the womans body, but what about cases where the woman wants to keep the baby but the man doesnt want or need the financial commitment.

Shouldn't the man have the right to insist on the woman having an abortion? That would be equal rights wouldnt it? After all the woman decides to go through with the pregnancy the man may resent the child as being an unneccessary financial burden. Why should he have to have 18 years of direct debits for a simple 10 minute(if he was lucky) knee trembler at the back of a nighclub?

That is why men should 'use one' - especially when indulging in a 10 minute knee trembler! As they know they can have no say in whether the woman decides to keep any resulting baby - they have to be extra cautious in protecting themselves and not spreading their seed if they don't want it spread! Common sense - isn't it!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

That is why men should 'use one' - especially when indulging in a 10 minute knee trembler! As they know they can have no say in whether the woman decides to keep any resulting baby - they have to be extra cautious in protecting themselves and not spreading their seed if they don't want it spread! Common sense - isn't it!

Some men do use them and as you said earlier no method of contraception is 100%

And doesnt the same argument fall back on the woman after all it is her body and if she doesnt want to be inseminated (and possibly infected) shouldnt she insist on him wearing something even if she is on the pill/coil/injection?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Some men do use them and as you said earlier no method of contraception is 100%

And doesnt the same argument fall back on the woman after all it is her body and if she doesnt want to be inseminated (and possibly infected) shouldnt she insist on him wearing something even if she is on the pill/coil/injection?

If she has any sense, yes - but at least she knows she will have some choice in whether or not to go ahead with an unplanned pregnancy!

Everyone should be careful - but at lot depends on what is at stake for the person having sex! Anyone that really doesn't want to have a child, particularly, if they have no say in the consequences, should take extra care! The same would go for anyone that has strong religous/moral feelings on abortion - extra caution is needed!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

If she has any sense, yes - but at least she knows she will have some choice in whether or not to go ahead with an unplanned pregnancy!

Everyone should be careful - but at lot depends on what is at stake for the person having sex! Anyone that really doesn't want to have a child, particularly, if they have no say in the consequences, should take extra care! The same would go for anyone that has strong religous/moral feelings on abortion - extra caution is needed!

Then surely advertisements of this type are sending out the wrong message, its not just saying supposing you use contraception and the contraceptive fails, dont sweat it we can wipe out that little errr accident as if it never happened.

Isnt it also sending out the message hey go on do what you want, have no strings sex, dont worrying about contraceptive, dont worry about the outcome coz if you are unlucky and fall pregnant we will ensure that little problem is quickly and conveniently removed.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Then surely advertisements of this type are sending out the wrong message, its not just saying supposing you use contraception and the contraceptive fails, dont sweat it we can wipe out that little errr accident as if it never happened.

Isnt it also sending out the message hey go on do what you want, have no strings sex, dont worrying about contraceptive, dont worry about the outcome coz if you are unlucky and fall pregnant we will ensure that little problem is quickly and conveniently removed.

I agree with this.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Then surely advertisements of this type are sending out the wrong message, its not just saying supposing you use contraception and the contraceptive fails, dont sweat it we can wipe out that little errr accident as if it never happened.

Isnt it also sending out the message hey go on do what you want, have no strings sex, dont worrying about contraceptive, dont worry about the outcome coz if you are unlucky and fall pregnant we will ensure that little problem is quickly and conveniently removed.

What suitable alternative is there! Children stuck in care, or lives lost through back-street abortions! Practicalities!

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Of course it will always be that way because it is the womans body, but what about cases where the woman wants to keep the baby but the man doesnt want or need the financial commitment.

Shouldn't the man have the right to insist on the woman having an abortion? That would be equal rights wouldnt it? After all the woman decides to go through with the pregnancy the man may resent the child as being an unneccessary financial burden. Why should he have to have 18 years of direct debits for a simple 10 minute(if he was lucky) knee trembler at the back of a nighclub?

I pretty much agree with this, especially in cases where women might abuse the system, refuse the pill and have children for the sole purpose of gaining child support money. More often than not, if one party is forced to take on the responsibility of the child against their will, the child will have to live with the consequences.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

I pretty much agree with this, especially in cases where women might abuse the system, refuse the pill and have children for the sole purpose of gaining child support money. More often than not, if one party is forced to take on the responsibility of the child against their will, the child will have to live with the consequences.

Shouldn't knowing that some women do that - make men more cautious - and insist on putting the jacket on - especially when having casual sex!