[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Fat people have an element of control over how they look, they only really have themselves to blame for being the size they are and they are well within their capabilities to silm down, it's a health issue you cant say the same about somebodys race.

Black people cannot change their skin colour, they cannot change the way they were born. A self-inflicted health problem and somebodys race are not comparable. And if you want to look back through the history of discrimination I wonder whos had it worse? I doubt it's those who get the odd "fat" jibe every now and then

I don't think that fat people are to blame for being abused. It seems to me that the people who abuse them are to blame.

Fat people might be able to slim down but ugly people are always ugly and Stupid people are always stupid. I don't understand why do they not deserve special protection, yet those of non-white race do deserve it?? It seems like a double standard to me

The English are the ones who like to seperate people on grounds of race. It seems to me that the true racists are the English. You don't have to tick a form to say which race you belong to just to get a job in Spain. The Spanish might make one or two stupid jokes like with that racing driver but the entire English nation is fundamentally racist. Its a nation that likes to tell others what to do but forgets that it's flies are undone while it does it.

Nobody gets special privelidges in Spain just because their skin is the right colour like they do in England. So I don't agree with what you say!!! its your opinion and this is mine.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I don't think that fat people are to blame for being abused. It seems to me that the people who abuse them are to blame.

Fat people might be able to slim down but ugly people are always ugly and Stupid people are always stupid. I don't understand why do they not deserve special protection, yet those of non-white race do deserve it?? It seems like a double standard to me

The English are the ones who like to seperate people on grounds of race. The true racists are the English. You don't have to tick a form to say which race you belong to just to get a job in Spain. The Spanish might make one or two stupid jokes like with that racing driver but the entire English nation is fundamentally racist. You are a nation that likes to tell others what to do but you forget that your flies are undone while you do it.

Nobody gets special privelidges in Spain just because their skin is the right colour like they do in England. So I don't agree with what you say!!! its your opinion and this is mine.

I'm not saying that insulting people for being black is justified but it's more explainable than targeting someone because of their skin colour, I maintain that calling someone fat is nor comparable to making monkey noises at black people.

Bullying is not nice in any way, shape or form, but you have to put the situation into context; racism is far more degrading and far more of a divisive force in society then calling someone ugly is, and it goes a lot deeper, in my opinion anyway. That's why it is considered much more inappropiate.

And who gets special priviliges? Nobody does, I already tried explaining that non-whites do not get privileges that we dont. Giving your ethnicity on a form is for purely statistical purposes, there is nothing racist about it.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I don't think that fat people are to blame for being abused. It seems to me that the people who abuse them are to blame.

Fat people might be able to slim down but ugly people are always ugly and Stupid people are always stupid. I don't understand why do they not deserve special protection, yet those of non-white race do deserve it?? It seems like a double standard to me

The English are the ones who like to seperate people on grounds of race. It seems to me that the true racists are the English. You don't have to tick a form to say which race you belong to just to get a job in Spain. The Spanish might make one or two stupid jokes like with that racing driver but the entire English nation is fundamentally racist. Its a nation that likes to tell others what to do but forgets that it's flies are undone while it does it.

Nobody gets special privelidges in Spain just because their skin is the right colour like they do in England. So I don't agree with what you say!!! its your opinion and this is mine.

One flaw in your argument is to suggest that the "true racists are English". If that were the case, why would the English have permitted such levels of immigration into this country over the past half century? It is unparalleled with the rest of Europe - countries such as France, Germany, Spain,Italy etc, have far more draconian restrictions and treatments of immigrants. There may well be racist English people, but I have encountered very many racist people from different ethnicities. It isn't a one way street by any means. You seem to be guilty of the same accusation levelled at the English - ie tarring every English person with the same racist brush.

Furthermore, I also totally abhor those forms and questionnaires where you have to state your ethnicity, but far from being racist they are there to promote fairness in the distribution of resources, ie to ensure that the white English do not hog them!

As regards Spain, I have family living in Almeria who are often subjected to racist jibes and resentment, so please don't even bother pretending Spain is oh so liberal and welcoming to immigrants.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by angus58

One flaw in your argument is to suggest that the "true racists are English". If that were the case, why would the English have permitted such levels of immigration into this country over the past half century? It is unparalleled with the rest of Europe - countries such as France, Germany, Spain,Italy etc, have far more draconian restrictions and treatments of immigrants.

um.. Angus maybe can you go and tell about how the Spanish have such draconian laws about immigration to the 1 million English immigrants now living in Andalucia and the Costa del Sol. Or to the 500000 Germans living in Mallorca...or maybe you could say hello to the 5million South Americans now living in Madrid and Spain or to the 500000 Romanians that for some reason have decided that Spain is a good place to go to. It might be wise to learn about these places before you talk about how inferior to England they are...

There are no immigration laws within the EU because everyone can move around as long as they hold an EU passport. Most south Americans have dual nationality either with Spain, Portugal or Italy and so they have no restrictions either...so you are just wrong there are no draconian laws. Spain has to deal with the majority of African immigration as it is the closest crossing point from Africa and most of the ports like Algeciras, La Linea and Tarifa are full of Arab immigrants and many stay and settle. Spain has to hear complaints about immigration by the English and yet the hard work of protecting EU boundaries is done by Spanish workers. Spain was ruled by Arabs for 800 years and they still think its their country.

erm.. maybe under Franco Spain was different and he didn't really allow immigration particularly in his early years, but as he grew old he got tired and opened Spain up to tourism...its been 35 years now since he died and 72 years since he took over so it is not the same country anymore. One good legacy of Franco is that it does not have broken down benefit families or spoilt brat child princes and princesses with no respect or care for fellow their human beings.

Also the only country in the EU that still has passport control is the UK. You can't even get a UK passport without having to find someone of high social standing to countersign the photograph. Out of the countries of western europe, It's the UK that is the only 'draconian' country IMO.

It seems to me that perfect England is actually a country that is far more riddled with social inequalities than any other in Europe. Special interest groups constantly demanding special priviledges be it on grounds of race, sex, class, whatever. It doesn't happen in Spain.. you get laughed at if you think you're special just because of the way you were born, just like that spoilt brat racing driver did, La Pija Vicki Beckham couldn't hack it even for a few weeks and everyone in Spain was laughing at her.. and those oh so special English footballers went home with their 'anti racism' banners whining like spoilt little babies.

It has nothing to do with Racism at all thats what I already said duh.. if you're ugly they call you ugly, if you're fat they call you fat.. if you're black they shout monkey noises at you.. every is the same **** and nobody is special.. Its not something to be proud of, but at least its fair... and it sounds better like we say in Spanish.. somos todos la misma mierda

Neither country is perfect and sh1tty English bottoms still stink and need wiping just like Spanish ones do...