[lostalex]

Originally Posted by angus58

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The boot is on the other foot in actual fact. Watch any movie and see how America airbrushes and/or blatantly alters the facts to portray itself as the inventor/saviour/hero of the moment. What can you expect of a country without any significant history of their own, other than the decimation of the native indians, the perpetuation of slavery, and a current propensity for sticking their nose in, uninvited usually, to the affairs of countries which offer the best resources for them to plunder.

You must be joking right??? That's EXACTLY what EUROPE did to not only North America, but also south america, asia, africa, and oceania. EVERY CONTINENT. You cannot be serious.

What the ******* are they teaching in british schools???

It was EUROPEAN COLONIALISM that brought genocide to the native americans, it was EUROPEANS that CREATED the slave trade, it was the EUROPEANS that conquered and plundered natural reasources from all other continents. WTF are you on about???

Seriously, you cannot be this ignorant. You MUST be joking t say it was USA that did these things. USA didn't even EXIST YET when YOU created these things.

[flemin]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You must be joking right??? That's EXACTLY what EUROPE did to not only North America, but also south america, asia, africa, and oceania. EVERY CONTINENT. You cannot be serious.

What the ******* are they teaching in british schools???

It was EUROPEAN COLONIALISM that brought genocide to the native americans, it was EUROPEANS that CREATED the slave trade, it was the EUROPEANS that conquered and plundered natural reasources from all other continents. WTF are you on about???

Seriously, you cannot be this ignorant. You MUST be joking t say it was USA that did these things. USA didn't even EXIST YET when YOU created these things.

And most of the people who did those things at the time are desendents of Americans as well as Europeans.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by flemin

And most of the people who did those things at the time are desendents of Americans as well as Europeans.

well i'm adopted, so i i'm not decended of anyone. Well, not anyone that i'm aware of at least.

I have no ethnicity, so i have no connection to any of that.

I'm quite literally just a Native American. I was born in the USA, and that's all i know, so i'm just a Native American.

[flemin]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well i'm adopted, so i i'm not decended of anyone. Well, not anyone that i'm aware of at least.

I have no ethnicity, so i have no connection to any of that.

I'm quite literally just a Native American. I was born in the USA, and that's all i know, so i'm just a Native American.

Regardless of your case, most Americans descend from Europeans; and as you said, America didn't excist at the time so you can no more blame modern Europeans than you can Americans as we were the same people.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by flemin

Regardless of your case, most Americans descend from Europeans; and as you said, America didn't excist at the time so you can no more blame modern Europeans than you can Americans as we were the same people.

That's simply not true. The vast majority of American's are also native americans, the vast majority of americans have never been to europe, they don't even have passports so how would they get there?

America took in immigrants desperate to escape europe, why would they want to go back?

America was a safe haven from all of the f00ked up sh!!!t going on in europe durring the last few centuries. None of them were coming to represent europe, they were desperate to escape the horrible chaos going on in europe. They wanted something new. so they decided to help built something new. We built something beautiful.

America is America despite Europe, not because of Europe.

[flemin]

Originally Posted by lostalex

America was a safe haven from all of the f00ked up sh!!!t going on in europe durring the last few centuries.

LoL, the Americans killed the natives, continued with slavery, abolished it, but continued with lynching and segregation til the 1950s. Hardly a haven!

Anyway, it's not as if the vast majority of Europeans condone what happended in the past or had anything to do with it. America's done FAR worse things in recent history (note not ever)!

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

compare murder rates between just white populations... not so much.

The UK is 85% white, the US is only 55% white.

non-white populations always have higher murder rates, not just in the US, but every country with significant non-white populations.

I have no idea how to explain why non-white populations are more violent, but it certainly is the case.

It's not a race thing, it's an economic one. There's obviously going to be higher rates of crime in poorer areas, and those areas are disproportionately populated by non-whites.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by flemin

LoL, the Americans killed the natives, continued with slavery, abolished it, but continued with lynching and segregation til the 1950s. Hardly a haven!

Anyway, it's not as if the vast majority of Europeans condone what happended in the past or had anything to do with it. America's done FAR worse things in recent history (note not ever)!

If you wannaknow about slavery follow the money, follow it to europe.

Maybe you don't know, but the US was only 4% of the total slavery in the americas. The vast majority of slavery and the european slavetrade was south america. Get yur facts right.

The majority of slavery was in the carribean islands, and the east coast of south america. infct Brazil accounted for 40% of the slave trade comared to the US at 4%.

If you wanna talk about slavery, you need to talk to europe and south america. north america and the Us was a tiny miniscule percentage of what what was going on.

Wonder why the carribean islands are almost all black people????

oh yea, cause when the slave trade became illegal, you just left them there.

You can try and twist it all you like, but the fact is, slavery was EUROPEAN. Not American, or African, it was EUROPEANS making the big bucks off it, and the minute it became illegal, you just washed yur hands of it, and left us to clean up the mess.

try to rewrite history all you like, but we don't forget.