[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by InOne

I think a lot of Black people dislike him. He's done nothing to help to hoods and ghettos of America, I think that is what some were expecting

Yeah that's true, the two people who he promised to help most and got him elected, black people and young people, havent had their situation improved at all

And in answer to the question I do think people are reluctant to dislike him yeah. It's true that Bush did all those tax breaks for the rich which he isnt popular for him but most people hated Bush for his foreign policy, and Obama seems no better in that regard; the killing of Bin Laden and the aftermath proved that.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah that's true, the two people who he promised to help most and got him elected, black people and young people, havent had their situation improved at all

And in answer to the question I do think people are reluctant to dislike him yeah. It's true that Bush did all those tax breaks for the rich which he isnt popular for him but most people hated Bush for his foreign policy, and Obama seems no better in that regard; the killing of Bin Laden and the aftermath proved that.

Americans were overjoyed at the news that bin Laden was dead. I don't know what you were hearing/reading/watching.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by letmein

Americans were overjoyed at the news that bin Laden was dead. I don't know what you were hearing/reading/watching.

I'm sure they were, I was just expressing my view that Bush and Obama have a fair bit in common with regards to foreign policy, the Bin Laden killing being one example of this; both like to show a disregard for international law and due process it seems

[BBfanUSA]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'm sure they were, I was just expressing my view that Bush and Obama have a fair bit in common with regards to foreign policy, the Bin Laden killing being one example of this; both like to show a disregard for international law and due process it seems

IMO personal opinion we had a right to kill him becasue he was one of the masterminds behind the death of a thousand or so americans and foriegners, and there's proof that they were going to attack again

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by big brother usa fan

IMO personal opinion we had a right to kill him becasue he was one of the masterminds behind the death of a thousand or so americans and foriegners, and there's proof that they were going to attack again

Ok put it this way; an Iraqi team of commandos helicopter into the USA without word, land at George Bush's house and assassinate him then dump his body in the sea. Dont think it would go down to well and Bush is responsible for far more deaths than Bin Laden.

I mean, I'm not exactly losing sleep over it but the fact is it was an unnecessary execution in cold blood. It is incredibly hypocritical for Obama to preach to other countries not to violate international law when he has so blatantly done that here.

[BBfanUSA]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Ok put it this way; an Iraqi team of commandos helicopter into the USA without word, land at George Bush's house and assassinate him then dump his body in the sea. Dont think it would go down to well and Bush is responsible for far more deaths than Bin Laden.

I mean, I'm not exactly losing sleep over it but the fact is it was an unnecessary execution in cold blood. It is incredibly hypocritical for Obama to preach to other countries not to violate international law when he has so blatantly done that here.

you have a point

[Thotmas]

'Obama is black mascot of Wall Street,' claims university professor in bitter attack on president

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Last updated at 5:35 PM on 19th May 2011


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A leading African American intellectual has reversed his support for Barack Obama, calling the U.S. president 'a black mascot of Wall street'.

Cornel West, a professor at Princeton University's Center for African American Studies, had previously supported Obama and took part in 65 campaign events during the president's election year.

But in an interview that with the website Truthdig, West attacked the president for not being true to his race and dismissed him as 'a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a black puppet of corporate plutocrats.'


Harsh words: Professor Cornell West, seen here with then-senator Barack Obama on the campaign trail in New York, has turned on the president

West also said: 'I think my dear brother Barack Obama has a certain fear of free black men.

'It’s understandable. As a young brother who grows up in a white context, brilliant African father, he’s always had to fear being a white man with black skin.

'All he has known culturally is white… When he meets an independent black brother, it is frightening.'

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The White House is yet to react to the criticism.

West's comments are a counterpoint to those of the media mogul and presidential hopeful Donald trump, who repeatedly pressured Obama to produce his birth certificate in the 'birther's' row.

The birther movement continue to try to show Obama isn't American enough to be president, while West is now seemingly claiming Obama isn't black enough for his liking.


It's personal: Professor West admitted he feels slighted by the president

West has previously made similar, if less powerful, comments about Obama. In an interview last year with NPR he said he would rather the president were more 'Martin Luther King-like', invoking the name of the most revered civil rights leader.

To answer Trump and the 'birthers', Obama did indeed produce his long-form birth certificate, proving he was born on U.S. soil in Hawaii.

But West's criticism may be harder to refute among black voters.

West, author of the book Race Matters, has a history of being quarrelsome though.

He was formerly a professor at Harvard University but left the institution in 2002 after an argument with its then-president Lawrence Summers.

In the interview with Truthdig he says he feels betrayed on an ideological level but also admits that his motivation for attacking Obama is in part due to personal enmity.

He complained that his phone calls to Obama did not get returned and that he wasn't invited to attend the presidential inauguration, which he watched in a hotel room with his mother and brother.

West said the pair have not spoken in more than a year after West claims Obama gave him a public dressing down at a meeting of the Urban League.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rnel-West.html

I think plenty of people are vocal about not liking him. The question is why do you think he shouldn't be liked?

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by big brother usa fan

IMO personal opinion we had a right to kill him becasue he was one of the masterminds behind the death of a thousand or so americans and foriegners, and there's proof that they were going to attack again

proof? Hmm don't believe everything your goverment tells you.

there will be more attacks now precisely because the US killed him so...doh!

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Zippy

proof? Hmm don't believe everything your goverment tells you.

there will be more attacks now precisely because the US killed him so...doh!

You are asking for proof that Al Quaida was planning more attacks?
You are really going to take a stand against that. This is the thing you are warning people 'not to believe' so easily - that the worlds most prolific terror leader of the world's deadliest para-military murder gang may NOT have been planning more attacks?
Really?
This is what you want to demand proof for. That they may not have been planning any more attacks.
and,
and,
You do insist that there will be MORE attacks BECAUSE Bin Laden was killed?

Well I can tell you this with great certainty - Bin Laden and CO are ALWAYS planning attacks,
but,
One thing we do know is that Bin Laden himself won't be helping them carry out the next one.
Neither will a handful of his high-ranking live-in buddies.

And probably a few others will be out of the 'planning department' after their numbers, USB info was seized.

And while you may not realize it - I suggest what you advocate along these lines ends up killing people.
That you are (unwittingly) part of what helps innocent people get murdered more often.
So carefully consider that.

[Thotmas]

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Peter fonda calls obama a traitor

Peter Fonda, producer of a documentary that focuses on the environmental consequences of the BP oil spill, had some harsh words for President Barack Obama.

While at the Cannes Film Festival with his documentary, The Big Fix, the Easy Rider shared his outrage over Obama's handling of the worst oil spill in American history, saying:

"I sent an email to President Obama saying, 'You are a f(expletive) traitor,' using those words… 'You're a traitor, you allowed foreign boots on our soil telling our military — in this case the coastguard — what they can and could not do, and telling us, the citizens of the United States, what we could or could not do'."

He's referring to BP, whose headquarters is in London, as the "foreign boots" and does not have kind words for the company he calls "a bunch of Brits". At a press conference for his film, he continued to say:

"I thought we kicked them out a long time ago. They tried to get back in in 1812, but they didn't make it."

Strong words!

Peter sent the email to the White House last week and we're curious if he'll get a response!