[Niall]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

BIB. I'd like you to back up your comments here.

I came from council house, working class territory - and still remain firmly working class.

My parents certainly did not have money to squander. I certainly was never spoilt. To the contrary -if I ever made any demands for anything, you can be quite sure that I never received. I can reply for myself, and let me assure you: if I did not work hard during my private education: I didn't just receive a bollocking from my parents...

you seem to have a rather small minded percetion with regards to private education: as shown by your David Cameron went to Eton for Christs sake comment.

I'd have expected many who attended such prestigious places as Eton etc: SHOULD be making a serious impact - in one way or another (suggests you check how many people who did benefit from such privileged education .... and see how successful they were... comedians, and policitians alike. That simply proves my point .... REGARDLESS of what profession they end up in: they have taken their education seriously - enough to have used their intelligence / wit / to the very best result in their adult life.)

You didn't listen to me. I said the majority. I didn't say you got into a private school that way, were spoilt etc. I said the majority of kids at private schools probably come from a wealthy background. No where in my post did I insinuate that you did.

And yes I am against private schooling. Like I said it encourages a class based society where the rich are privileged and remain so and the poor remain less privileged. I don't like the idea that you can buy your way into a better education (which can lead to a drastically better life) and be above everyone else. I don't think thats right. Everyone should be given a level playing field in terms of schooling imo.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niall

You didn't listen to me. I said the majority. I didn't say you got into a private school that way, were spoilt etc. I said the majority of kids at private schools probably come from a wealthy background. No where in my post did I insinuate that you did.

And yes I am against private schooling. Like I said it encourages a class based society where the rich are privileged and remain so and the poor remain less privileged. I don't like the idea that you can buy your way into a better education (which can lead to a drastically better life) and be above everyone else. I don't think thats right. Everyone should be given a level playing field in terms of schooling imo.

I did read exactly what you wrote Niall, and I asked you to do nothing more than to back up your comment.

I did not say that you were referring to me personally, and neither did say that you insinuated this either. I am perplexed at to why you should jump to such a conclusion? What I did do however, was provide details of my own personal experience. There are at least 2 other persons on this thread who have encountered private schooling - and from what I can glean from their comments (and pro rata for those on tibbs who are taking part in this thread), who HAVE had experience from both sides of the fence: and are able to offer a more balance viewpoint.

Sometimes it's very easy to offer opinions when they are based less on personal experiences: and more on 'perception' , and to use such opinions as fact - denying all existence of those posters who are in a position of put up views on a very personal basis, and those who have personal experience of having benefitted from both types of schooling and may be in pole position to offer views -having actually experienced the two differing types and what they offer.

Their opinon may not be agreeable, it may not be right: but it is may be seen as a far more validatory an opinion than those who have experience of only one type of educational system and therefore, have nothing upon which to offer real life comparison. That fact has to be taken into consideration.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I did read exactly what you wrote Niall, and I asked you to do nothing more than to back up your comment.

I did not say that you were referring to me personally, and neither did say that you insinuated this either. I am perplexed at to why you should jump to such a conclusion? What I did do however, was provide details of my own personal experience. There are at least 2 other persons on this thread who have encountered private schooling - and from what I can glean from their comments (and pro rata for those on tibbs who are taking part in this thread), who HAVE had experience from both sides of the fence: and are able to offer a more balance viewpoint.

Sometimes it's very easy to offer opinions when they are based less on personal experiences: and more on 'perception' , and to use such opinions as fact - denying all existence of those posters who are in a position of put up views on a very personal basis, and those who have personal experience of having benefitted from both types of schooling and may be in pole position to offer views -having actually experienced the two differing types and what they offer.

Their opinon may not be agreeable, it may not be right: but it is may be seen as a far more validatory an opinion than those who have experience of only one type of educational system and therefore, have nothing upon which to offer real life comparison. That fact has to be taken into consideration.

The only reason I thought that was because you seemed to take what I said very personally. I know your family may have had to work to put you through private schooling but I wasn't referring to that in my previous post, I was talking about the wealthy families that pay for their children's schooling. Thats why I was I tried to make the distinction that I wasn't talking about the working class families that work to pay for their child's education like your own family.

Fair enough at the rest of what you've said I just don't agree with the idea. I think its elitist and wrong and I'm not gonna change my mind on that matter.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niall

The only reason I thought that was because you seemed to take what I said very personally. I know your family may have had to work to put you through private schooling but I wasn't referring to that in my previous post, I was talking about the wealthy families that pay for their children's schooling. Thats why I was I tried to make the distinction that I wasn't talking about the working class families that work to pay for their child's education like your own family.

Fair enough at the rest of what you've said I just don't agree with the idea. I think its elitist and wrong and I'm not gonna change my mind on that matter.

and like yourself, I am also attempting to dispel the myth that it is only the 'rich' that chose to use private educational facilities.

Another offshoot of this discussion regardind 'private / ie; privately funded' education - further ed, college and Uni - they are in great part, privately funded by the individul to a great extent.

As example: I chose to work full time from the age of 18. I also wanted to continue my eduction in differing topics that interested me - and subsequently, I paid to attend night school for college to obtain HND, and then continued to pay through OU studies for psychology degree.

should this also be looked down on, and frowned upon, because I chose to continue paying for my further education? (slightly offshooting I know, and if it may derail thread - I'll understand if there's no response to this: as it does digress)

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

and like yourself, I am also attempting to dispel the myth that it is only the 'rich' that chose to use private educational facilities.

Another offshoot of this discussion regardind 'private / ie; privately funded' education - further ed, college and Uni - they are in great part, privately funded by the individul to a great extent.

As example: I chose to work full time from the age of 18. I also wanted to continue my eduction in differing topics that interested me - and subsequently, I paid to attend night school for college to obtain HND, and then continued to pay through OU studies for psychology degree.

should this also be looked down on, and frowned upon, because I chose to continue paying for my further education? (slightly offshooting I know, and if it may derail thread - I'll understand if there's no response to this: as it does digress)

Well my opinion on Uni is that I think they should be factored into the educational system and be made free of charge like all other schools (or if necessary given a small charge for things like books etc).

But imo I don't think they should those types of classes and education should be made to have fees. They should be free to attend. Or if thats not feasible, then maybe a small fee again to maintain books etc.

Thats what I think anyways.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niall

Well my opinion on Uni is that I think they should be factored into the educational system and be made free of charge like all other schools (or if necessary given a small charge for things like books etc).

But imo I don't think they should those types of classes and education should be made to have fees. They should be free to attend. Or if thats not feasible, then maybe a small fee again to maintain books etc.

Thats what I think anyways.

Move to Scotland and your wish may just be granted !!

Mabye the Scottish Government think this too....

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Move to Scotland and your wish may just be granted !!

Mabye the Scottish Government think this too....

I could never move. I love where I live far too much.