[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by seanraff07

No I don't think they should exist.

Most people that attend Private schools are posh, stuck-up twats who need to be dragged down a level, to reality. Anyone who isn't to their rich standards they treat/talk to like a piece of dirt.

I'd much rather attend a public school anyway cause despite some of the idiots that attend it, you'll meet much nicer people.

Personally... I'd prefer less idiots ... but there you go, that's a personal opinion.

As for your comment on stuck up twats who need to be dragged down to a level... to reality. Good god, talk about having a prejudiced viewpoint !!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by chuck.pass

And I dont have a problem with that, I dont see why children whose parents have enough money to afford private education should send their children to a public school.
People who have more money are always going to be able to afford better things and thats perfectly fine by me.

I do, not everything in life should be about money.

And if private schools didnt exist, they would have to make public schools better to please the people who would have been paying for better education. So public schools would be up to the same standard of private schools.

Everyone wins.

[seanraff07]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Personally... I'd prefer less idiots ... but there you go, that's a personal opinion.

As for your comment on stuck up twats who need to be dragged down to a level... to reality. Good god, talk about having a prejudiced viewpoint !!

Yes as would I, but that's reality for you, you have to deal with it.

You'll notice that I said MOST people that attend Private Schools, not all people. I used to be close with a girl from a Private School and although she was very nice, all her pals were stuck-up, ignorant bitches. And that is not a biased opinion that is totally honest.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by seanraff07

Yes as would I, but that's reality for you, you have to deal with it.

You'll notice that I said MOST people that attend Private Schools, not all people. I used to be close with a girl from a Private School and although she was very nice, all her pals were stuck-up, ignorant bitches. And that is not a biased opinion that is totally honest.

How many people have you interracted with, that attended Private Schools, in comparion to those who attended State funded schools? The reason I ask is that it is pertinent.

It would seem that for you to offer your overall opinion, "MOST people that attend Private Schools".... that you would have to have known a high number of such persons who have been educated privately - upon which for you to base your 'unbiased' opinion. From your post above: it does appear that you have formed an opinion on the MANY who attend private schools, based on you knowning one person who attended a private school.

Rather than, what appears to be (from your post above), your experience that may be based on you knowing'A girl from a Private School' - ie one person?

Being able to quantify, would be helpful in ascertaining whether you are able to, fairly and without bias, offer an unpredujiced opinion.

[seanraff07]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

How many people have you interracted with, that attended Private Schools, in comparion to those who attended State funded schools? The reason I ask is that it is pertinent.

It would seem that for you to offer your overall opinion, "MOST people that attend Private Schools".... that you would have to have known a high number of such persons who have been educated privately - upon which for you to base your 'unbiased' opinion. From your post above: it does appear that you have formed an opinion on the MANY who attend private schools, based on you knowning one person who attended a private school.

Rather than, what appears to be (from your post above), your experience that may be based on you knowing'A girl from a Private School' - ie one person?

Being able to quantify, would be helpful in ascertaining whether you are able to, fairly and without bias, offer an unpredujiced opinion.

I got to know her mates, hence why I brought them up. I have been to parties and met people from Private schools, most of whom I didn't warm to.

Yes there is a reason why I can't give many examples of people from Private schools... I hardly talk to any, cause the majority I have came across are selfish twats. And that is more than the 1 or 2 that you are suggesting I talk to.

[dizzy bint]

I spent the first 10 years of my life in a Council house with no bathroom, an outside toilet and no running hot water.

Then I spent from age 13 to age 16 at a fee paying all girl's boarding school.

There was no large jump in my parent's class in between, we were still working class. Many children go to private school when their parents go abroad to work or, in some cases, when they're in the armed forces.

I did not enjoy my time at private school and didn't send my children to one. However, I wouldn't advocate getting rid of them, people should have freedom of choice. All I would say is that they are, in my opinion, wasting their money.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by seanraff07

I got to know her mates, hence why I brought them up. I have been to parties and met people from Private schools, most of whom I didn't warm to.

Yes there is a reason why I can't give many examples of people from Private schools... I hardly talk to any, cause the majority I have came across are selfish twats. And that is more than the 1 or 2 that you are suggesting I talk to.

I'm afraid that not being able to give many examples, based on you knowing one girl and her friends (who let's be fair here: a person will associate with those with whom they have common boundaries etc: thus: if you found 'that girl' to be a twat - it's pretty reasonable that you would have found 'her friends' to be of the same ilk -given that we all tend to bond with those around us, that we share common ground with).

Given that you admit that 'you hardly talk to any'... I really have to take the view that your limited interaction with (through your own personal choice or not) - with what appears to be a handful of people - rather than 'many / most' - really is not indicative of an overall perception - and leads to you having a very skewed and biases opinion.

It appears that you are offering an opinion on 'most/many' people who have been privately educated: based on your interracting with only a few privately educated people. It does seem a rather unbalanced way of offering an unbiased opinion.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by dizzy bint

I spent the first 10 years of my life in a Council house with no bathroom, an outside toilet and no running hot water.

Then I spent from age 13 to age 16 at a fee paying all girl's boarding school.

There was no large jump in my parent's class in between, we were still working class. Many children go to private school when their parents go abroad to work or, in some cases, when they're in the armed forces.

I did not enjoy my time at private school and didn't send my children to one. However, I wouldn't advocate getting rid of them, people should have freedom of choice. All I would say is that they are, in my opinion, wasting their money.

Something you touched upon in your post. I also happened to attend an armed forces school abroad - and I loathed it, and the pupils there - who looked down on me.

I then attended private schooling, both abroad and back in the UK - and found a complete turn around from the students at the Army schools - they were far more welcoming than those children parents in the Armed Forces -both in school and out of.

[dizzy bint]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Something you touched upon in your post. I also happened to attend an armed forces school abroad - and I loathed it, and the pupils there - who looked down on me.

I then attended private schooling, both abroad and back in the UK - and found a complete turn around from the students at the Army schools - they were far more welcoming than those children parents in the Armed Forces -both in school and out of.

Interesting. I don't have any personal experience of armed forces schools although the son of a friend attends one in this country and is very happy there.

I attended boarding schools both abroad and here and hated both occasions. The one abroad I hated the actual schooling, I was streamed far above my actual ability and my days were miserable, fortunately I wasn't there long. The one here was again a case of the other pupils looking down on me. I have to say though that I suffered a lot of bullying throughout my school life and had also hated the state schools I had attended. My sister loved boarding school and was evidence that a working class child can fit in as well as any other.

I think like every other school, with private schools it depends on the child and it depends on the school. Every experience is different.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by dizzy bint

Interesting. I don't have any personal experience of armed forces schools although the son of a friend attends one in this country and is very happy there.

I attended boarding schools both abroad and here and hated both occasions. The one abroad I hated the actual schooling, I was streamed far above my actual ability and my days were miserable, fortunately I wasn't there long. The one here was again a case of the other pupils looking down on me. I have to say though that I suffered a lot of bullying throughout my school life and had also hated the state schools I had attended. My sister loved boarding school and was evidence that a working class child can fit in as well as any other.

I think like every other school, with private schools it depends on the child and it depends on the school. Every experience is different.

Have to agree with BIB. totally.

Army school in Cyprus for me, I went to private day school in Saudi , boarding school in England. With exception of Cyprus, I loved it and the experience.

As I say, I came from very serious working class background (and I mean serious as in, electricity being cut off coz of not being able to pay the bliddy bill etc !!!!! Thank god for coal fires - and I'm not kidding!)

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

BIB. I'd like you to back up your comments here.

I came from council house, working class territory - and still remain firmly working class.

My parents certainly did not have money to squander. I certainly was never spoilt. To the contrary -if I ever made any demands for anything, you can be quite sure that I never received. I can reply for myself, and let me assure you: if I did not work hard during my private education: I didn't just receive a bollocking from my parents...

you seem to have a rather small minded percetion with regards to private education: as shown by your David Cameron went to Eton for Christs sake comment.

I'd have expected many who attended such prestigious places as Eton etc: SHOULD be making a serious impact - in one way or another (suggests you check how many people who did benefit from such privileged education .... and see how successful they were... comedians, and policitians alike. That simply proves my point .... REGARDLESS of what profession they end up in: they have taken their education seriously - enough to have used their intelligence / wit / to the very best result in their adult life.)

You didn't listen to me. I said the majority. I didn't say you got into a private school that way, were spoilt etc. I said the majority of kids at private schools probably come from a wealthy background. No where in my post did I insinuate that you did.

And yes I am against private schooling. Like I said it encourages a class based society where the rich are privileged and remain so and the poor remain less privileged. I don't like the idea that you can buy your way into a better education (which can lead to a drastically better life) and be above everyone else. I don't think thats right. Everyone should be given a level playing field in terms of schooling imo.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by chuck.pass

The existence of private schools is just a mere consequence of a class based society.

But it also encourages and helps to sustain it. Thats the way I see it anyways.

[Conor]

The school system should exist to reward people who have the brains, not the money.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Conor

The school system should exist to reward people who have the brains, not the money.

Exactly. Very well put

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Conor

The school system should exist to reward people who have the brains, not the money.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niall

You didn't listen to me. I said the majority. I didn't say you got into a private school that way, were spoilt etc. I said the majority of kids at private schools probably come from a wealthy background. No where in my post did I insinuate that you did.

And yes I am against private schooling. Like I said it encourages a class based society where the rich are privileged and remain so and the poor remain less privileged. I don't like the idea that you can buy your way into a better education (which can lead to a drastically better life) and be above everyone else. I don't think thats right. Everyone should be given a level playing field in terms of schooling imo.

I did read exactly what you wrote Niall, and I asked you to do nothing more than to back up your comment.

I did not say that you were referring to me personally, and neither did say that you insinuated this either. I am perplexed at to why you should jump to such a conclusion? What I did do however, was provide details of my own personal experience. There are at least 2 other persons on this thread who have encountered private schooling - and from what I can glean from their comments (and pro rata for those on tibbs who are taking part in this thread), who HAVE had experience from both sides of the fence: and are able to offer a more balance viewpoint.

Sometimes it's very easy to offer opinions when they are based less on personal experiences: and more on 'perception' , and to use such opinions as fact - denying all existence of those posters who are in a position of put up views on a very personal basis, and those who have personal experience of having benefitted from both types of schooling and may be in pole position to offer views -having actually experienced the two differing types and what they offer.

Their opinon may not be agreeable, it may not be right: but it is may be seen as a far more validatory an opinion than those who have experience of only one type of educational system and therefore, have nothing upon which to offer real life comparison. That fact has to be taken into consideration.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Conor

The school system should exist to reward people who have the brains, not the money.

It does. It's called sponsorship to prestigious schools.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I did read exactly what you wrote Niall, and I asked you to do nothing more than to back up your comment.

I did not say that you were referring to me personally, and neither did say that you insinuated this either. I am perplexed at to why you should jump to such a conclusion? What I did do however, was provide details of my own personal experience. There are at least 2 other persons on this thread who have encountered private schooling - and from what I can glean from their comments (and pro rata for those on tibbs who are taking part in this thread), who HAVE had experience from both sides of the fence: and are able to offer a more balance viewpoint.

Sometimes it's very easy to offer opinions when they are based less on personal experiences: and more on 'perception' , and to use such opinions as fact - denying all existence of those posters who are in a position of put up views on a very personal basis, and those who have personal experience of having benefitted from both types of schooling and may be in pole position to offer views -having actually experienced the two differing types and what they offer.

Their opinon may not be agreeable, it may not be right: but it is may be seen as a far more validatory an opinion than those who have experience of only one type of educational system and therefore, have nothing upon which to offer real life comparison. That fact has to be taken into consideration.

The only reason I thought that was because you seemed to take what I said very personally. I know your family may have had to work to put you through private schooling but I wasn't referring to that in my previous post, I was talking about the wealthy families that pay for their children's schooling. Thats why I was I tried to make the distinction that I wasn't talking about the working class families that work to pay for their child's education like your own family.

Fair enough at the rest of what you've said I just don't agree with the idea. I think its elitist and wrong and I'm not gonna change my mind on that matter.

[dizzy bint]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Have to agree with BIB. totally.

Army school in Cyprus for me, I went to private day school in Saudi , boarding school in England. With exception of Cyprus, I loved it and the experience.

As I say, I came from very serious working class background (and I mean serious as in, electricity being cut off coz of not being able to pay the bliddy bill etc !!!!! Thank god for coal fires - and I'm not kidding!)

I know you're not, we had one too! A tin bath in front of the fire on a Sunday night, water being heated in a big 'copper'. I tell my kids, they don't believe me.

It sounds like you had a very interesting childhood with periods spent abroad just like I did. My Dad was trying to get a better life for us, unfortunately it failed several times but I can't fault him for trying.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niall

The only reason I thought that was because you seemed to take what I said very personally. I know your family may have had to work to put you through private schooling but I wasn't referring to that in my previous post, I was talking about the wealthy families that pay for their children's schooling. Thats why I was I tried to make the distinction that I wasn't talking about the working class families that work to pay for their child's education like your own family.

Fair enough at the rest of what you've said I just don't agree with the idea. I think its elitist and wrong and I'm not gonna change my mind on that matter.

and like yourself, I am also attempting to dispel the myth that it is only the 'rich' that chose to use private educational facilities.

Another offshoot of this discussion regardind 'private / ie; privately funded' education - further ed, college and Uni - they are in great part, privately funded by the individul to a great extent.

As example: I chose to work full time from the age of 18. I also wanted to continue my eduction in differing topics that interested me - and subsequently, I paid to attend night school for college to obtain HND, and then continued to pay through OU studies for psychology degree.

should this also be looked down on, and frowned upon, because I chose to continue paying for my further education? (slightly offshooting I know, and if it may derail thread - I'll understand if there's no response to this: as it does digress)

[arista]

"Should Private Schools exist?

Or do you think every school should be the same? Free public schools for everyone!"


You need to move to China or Russia.

What a Crazy thread.

Whatever Next
Ban Boxing?

[Ammi]

I didn't personally send my children to private school because I didn't see the need, however I have no problem with them existing. What people choose to spend the money they have earned on is entirely up to them. A sofa, holiday, whatever, why not their child's education. If they feel it will make a difference thats up to them. Whether it actually will, well they can find out. I can't see its any different to anything else that can be bought, we have private healthcare so why not education. It may be nice to think that if it didn't exist the state school system would improve but who's to say it would. It may be worse because it would have to support a lot more children that are privately schooled, the same way as the national health system would have to support more people if they didn't choose private health care. Everything in life is only available to whoever can afford it no matter how cheap or expensive it is. Children can go to state school but their parents can't afford for them to go on any trips etc. Unfortunately its part of life. Its not about toffs in a lot of cases parents go without stuff themselves because it is their highest priority. Why should we dictate to them how to spend their money. Whether their children benefit or not, well thats up to them

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by dizzy bint

I know you're not, we had one too! A tin bath in front of the fire on a Sunday night, water being heated in a big 'copper'. I tell my kids, they don't believe me.

It sounds like you had a very interesting childhood with periods spent abroad just like I did. My Dad was trying to get a better life for us, unfortunately it failed several times but I can't fault him for trying.

LOL... You've thrown me back to reminiscing days now!!! No wonder we had the leckie cut off.... gran used to light the coal fire - and in really bad winter days: used to put the cooker on - elec oven, leave the oven door open to try to warm us up - because 'one of us' would be in the living room, in front of the coal fire: having a bath in the steel tub.

Feck... I'm laughing like hell here now!!!!

toast from the fire was brill btw!

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

and like yourself, I am also attempting to dispel the myth that it is only the 'rich' that chose to use private educational facilities.

Another offshoot of this discussion regardind 'private / ie; privately funded' education - further ed, college and Uni - they are in great part, privately funded by the individul to a great extent.

As example: I chose to work full time from the age of 18. I also wanted to continue my eduction in differing topics that interested me - and subsequently, I paid to attend night school for college to obtain HND, and then continued to pay through OU studies for psychology degree.

should this also be looked down on, and frowned upon, because I chose to continue paying for my further education? (slightly offshooting I know, and if it may derail thread - I'll understand if there's no response to this: as it does digress)

Well my opinion on Uni is that I think they should be factored into the educational system and be made free of charge like all other schools (or if necessary given a small charge for things like books etc).

But imo I don't think they should those types of classes and education should be made to have fees. They should be free to attend. Or if thats not feasible, then maybe a small fee again to maintain books etc.

Thats what I think anyways.

[Niall]

I also don't really think attending night classes is the same as private schooling because its you doing something that isn't initially offered to you as free if you know what I mean? I frown upon private schooling because its the active rejection of state schooling because you can afford private schooling (well in most cases anyways - I know it wasn't like that for you).