[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by cub

Gay people, no matter what the percentage, are and always will be a significant portion of the population. And therefore should have the same rights and freedoms as straight people.

They are significant. They matter.

It really doesn't matter about the % (which we can't agree on anyway).

They are a tiny minority of the population and most people never meet anyone who is gay.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

They are a tiny minority of the population and most people never meet anyone who is gay.

You
mean those people that live in remote places.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

You
mean those people that live in remote places.

no, i have lived in London and in Sydney and they are in the minority, around 5%.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no, i have lived in London and in Sydney and they are in the minority, around 5%.

Yes Sydney I could understand
as gays are not welcome, in general.

[Shaun]

I still don't understand where "oh there's only about 600,000+ of them" (which I highly disagree with, because these statistics are never open or universal - I've never been contacted or required to divulge my sexuality personally - and doesn't take into account closeted people or people who don't wish to say) comes into account when discussing whether or not we should be allowed to marry.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I still don't understand where "oh there's only about 600,000+ of them" (which I highly disagree with, because these statistics are never open or universal - I've never been contacted or required to divulge my sexuality personally - and doesn't take into account closeted people or people who don't wish to say) comes into account when discussing whether or not we should be allowed to marry.

Of course as those will never let on.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

They are a tiny minority of the population and most people never meet anyone who is gay.

How on earth would people know in the main as to whether they have met or know anyone who is gay, it's certainly not a question I ask of anybody I know or meet.

I would say the opposite to you on that one, I would guess the vast majority of people have definately met or know people who are gay.
Most extended families have someone in them with gay tendencies and if you bring in not just the 'gay' tag but also add the bi-sexual one too then its far more likely that people have certainly met or know at least one person who is either.

Are you saying you ask and then know everyone that you have ever met or already know is definately not gay,I would say that is almost impossible unless someone never goes out and never meets or talks to anyone at all.

[Ammi]

Judging by the massive rise in divorce rates, marriage in general, including same sex marriage should be taught in school. It isn't necessary to single out gay marriage as the only kind to be taught.
Its not necessary these days for any civil partnership to lead to marriage, people should be very clear why they want to get married

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by rhino

Judging by the massive rise in divorce rates, marriage in general, including same sex marriage should be taught in school. It isn't necessary to single out gay marriage as the only kind to be taught.
Its not necessary these days for any civil partnership to lead to marriage, people should be very clear why they want to get married

I agree with you on all that though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

How on earth would people know in the main as to whether they have met or know anyone who is gay, it's certainly not a question I ask of anybody I know or meet.

I would say the opposite to you on that one, I would guess the vast majority of people have definately met or know people who are gay.
Most extended families have someone in them with gay tendencies and if you bring in not just the 'gay' tag but also add the bi-sexual one too then its far more likely that people have certainly met or know at least one person who is either.

Are you saying you ask and then know everyone that you have ever met or already know is definately not gay,I would say that is almost impossible unless someone never goes out and never meets or talks to anyone at all.

Studies, the ones that have been done, and done in huge numbers in the UK and USA do not agree.

5 % is probably generous

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Studies, the ones that have been done, and done in huge numbers in the UK and USA do not agree.

5 % is probably generous

Well I and I would dare bet the vast majority of other people must be well away from your statistics then because to my knowledge I already know at least 30+ gay people as family, friends and just people I generally come across day to day and 'that's' the ones I do know only because they have said they are and not from me asking them.It's none of my business if someone is gay or not.

Likely I have met and spoken to many others who work in local shops and stores,travelling, on holiday, obviously at Uni and even school when I was there,nurses and even Doctors too.
I ask again,how on earth can you possibly know or claim that most(meaning the majority) people have 'never' in your quoted words,met anyone gay at all in their lives.

I am sorry but in my opinion,wherever your statistics come from as to that part of your statement then I think those statistics must come from the biggest ever fiction research into a subject ever done.
Or maybe the study you base your so called facts on involved mostly people who for some reason didn't want to admit they knew or had met anyone gay at all in their lives.

[billy123]

Just back to the original OP no gay marriage shouldnt be taught in schools nor should straight marriage be separately taught as distinguishing between the two is just divisive and backwards thinking. just teach about marriage why does gender need to be mentioned in that subject????

The subject of gay relationships is already dealt with within sex education in schools i believe (or at least it is in the schools local to me that my girlfriends daughter attends)
and while there are some old fashioned bigoted people around now that will die away fairly quickly as the old bigoted buggers die and our better educated children grow up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well I and I would dare bet the vast majority of other people must be well away from your statistics then because to my knowledge I already know at least 30+ gay people as family, friends and just people I generally come across day to day and 'that's' the ones I do know only because they have said they are and not from me asking them.It's none of my business if someone is gay or not.

Likely I have met and spoken to many others who work in local shops and stores,travelling, on holiday, obviously at Uni and even school when I was there,nurses and even Doctors too.
I ask again,how on earth can you possibly know or claim that most(meaning the majority) people have 'never' in your quoted words,met anyone gay at all in their lives.

I am sorry but in my opinion,wherever your statistics come from as to that part of your statement then I think those statistics must come from the biggest ever fiction research into a subject ever done.
Or maybe the study you base your so called facts on involved mostly people who for some reason didn't want to admit they knew or had met anyone gay at all in their lives.

sample size one, ie you, is no sample

luckily that is why we have surveys, to avoid subjective twaddle

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

sample size one, ie you, is no sample

luckily that is why we have surveys, to avoid subjective twaddle

Well,I don't see anyone else at present coming on here saying that they don't know or have never ever met a gay person in their life, I also said I was sure that I and likely the vast majority of other people will have met and likely know people who are gay,whether they approve of people being gay or not.That is all I said.

I will add that I think and I don't usually post as strong as this, but I will add that the survey you are throwing at us as actual fact in life, is in fact a load of rubbish in my view and I doubt many,even if any would agree with it that most people,therefore the majority as you quote, have never ever met or ever known anyone who is gay in their whole lives.
In my view, the survey you are quoting was either done in a very prejudiced way or is as you describe the 'real' subjective twaddle here.

Saints preseve us,I never said I was a survey, I was speaking for me, you are expecting people to believe that most people have never met,or know anyone who is gay.
I really can't understand why you appear so down on gay people anyway but one thing is sure I know a lot of people, I have in the last few years or so likely met over 1000+ Students past and present, spoken to many lecturers and I have in my extended family something like 70+ members of my family plus also my friends and I can be 100% sure that 'all' of them have met or know not just one person but many people who are gay.

Anyway, the thread is should gay marriage be taught in schools,I will end by saying I think all relationships should be up for discussion not just one form.
No discrimination whatsoever.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well,I don't see anyone else at present coming on here saying that they don't know or have never ever met a gay person in their life, I also said I was sure that I and likely the vast majority of other people will have met and likely know people who are gay,whether they approve of people being gay or not.That is all I said.

I will add that I think and I don't usually post as strong as this, but I will add that the survey you are throwing at us as actual fact in life, is in fact a load of rubbish in my view and I doubt many,even if any would agree with it that most people,therefore the majority as you quote, have never ever met or ever known anyone who is gay in their whole lives.
In my view, the survey you are quoting was either done in a very prejudiced way or is as you describe the 'real' subjective twaddle here.

Saints preseve us,I never said I was a survey, I was speaking for me, you are expecting people to believe that most people have never met,or know anyone who is gay.
I really can't understand why you appear so down on gay people anyway but one thing is sure I know a lot of people, I have in the last few years or so likely met over 1000+ Students past and present, spoken to many lecturers and I have in my extended family something like 70+ members of my family plus also my friends and I can be 100% sure that 'all' of them have met or know not just one person but many people who are gay.

Anyway, the thread is should gay marriage be taught in schools,I will end by saying I think all relationships should be up for discussion not just one form.
No discrimination whatsoever.

i rest my case....

[cub]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

They are a tiny minority of the population and most people never meet anyone who is gay.

For argument's sake, let's pretend that's true. Let's go further and suggest the figure is 00.1%. That tiny percentage should still have ALL the opportunities, freedoms and rights of heterosexuals.

You may as well say people with disabilities are a tiny percent of the population, so their rights should not be equal as the more able bodied.

I am talking about % and rights here, btw. Not comparing gay people with disabilities.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by cub

For argument's sake, let's pretend that's true. Let's go further and suggest the figure is 00.1%. That tiny percentage should still have ALL the opportunities, freedoms and rights of heterosexuals.

You may as well say people with disabilities are a tiny percent of the population, so their rights should not be equal as the more able bodied.

I am talking about % and rights here, btw. Not comparing gay people with disabilities.

It's not even a few decades ago that you could go to prison for being gay. With every generation people are more accepting. Most people aren't remotely interested in people's sexuality and wouldn't dream of making an issue out of it. I don't understand why you would say that gay people should have all the opportunities, freedoms and rights that straight people do, because as far as I am aware, they do. And as years go on, acceptance will become more universal as old prejudices die out completely.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by cub

For argument's sake, let's pretend that's true. Let's go further and suggest the figure is 00.1%. That tiny percentage should still have ALL the opportunities, freedoms and rights of heterosexuals.

You may as well say people with disabilities are a tiny percent of the population, so their rights should not be equal as the more able bodied.

I am talking about % and rights here, btw. Not comparing gay people with disabilities.

very good but as no one has said they should not i cant see where you are going here?

Schools have to choose what to teach in a busy schedule and they tend to focus on majority issues and not niche ones for obvious reasons.

[Chuck]

well, if getting banned once didnt satisfy you enough, hopefully getting banned twice will :')

[Niall]

Some of the people in this thread just make me sick. I still don't get why its not been closed.

[MTVN]

I don't get why ElProximo isn't permabanned, surely repeated extreme racism and homophobia is a good enough reason?

[Niamh.]

Thread Closed - causing arguments, encouraging insults.