[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

This has nothing to do with police and everything to do with criminality, fecklessness and bad parenting - i would also throw into the mix the failure of multiculturalism

I have to agree with you LT. I've seen quite a bit of footage now, and of those who did not have their faces covered like the heroes they are, I saw only one white face. It's not racist to state what you see, and that's what I saw.

Makes me laugh when people try to make this into some kind of stand against "The Man". But it dilutes their freedom-fighting message when you see them all stumbling out of JD Sport and PC World loaded with boxes they've just looted.

I would say that the police do a bloody horrible job, and thank God they do, or we'd all be prisoners in our own homes while the dregs of society - like those involved in the trouble at the weekend - rampaged, robbed and looted.

A report I read stated that a "non-police firearm was recovered from the scene". Unlikely they'd have shot this "family man" for no reason considering the **** and hoops they have to go through every time a copper fires his gun, especially following the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes. Gun crime is out of control in this country, only a fool would say otherwise. Guns are illegal even for sportsmen, so I have no problem with the police shooting anyone caught in possession of a firearm.