[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Oh, England England England. You once ruled a quarter of the world's people and now I sometimes wonder if you even rule your own backyard. It seems you have to walk on eggshells when it comes to dealing with people from other parts of the world.

Amusing that you make yourself available for a UK forum then .... didn't your own forums want you? Or perhaps there aren't enough bridges in the country in which you reside? So many questions, not enough answers.

['Conor]

Oh my word, what a truely, horrible women

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Snowball

That makes it all better then eh.

I tell you what. Watching the video my first instinct was to laugh at how much of a fuss all this was making. I look at it like the woman was embarrassing herself and not "abusing" anyone. If anything I was more worried about HER safety as a few people around her seemed to be giving vibes that they'd like to go over to her and strangle her. A couple of them seemed to be thinking about it. The people who over-react to this stuff and think she should be thrown in prison are the ones that disturb me.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

"Abuse" is a hard word. If she was getting out of her seat and shouting in the faces of all the blacks then I think "abuse" might be more accurate. She was just sitting in her seat and raised her voice from time to time.

I haven't really condemned the things she's said because everyone else will and I don't take the messenger seriously. She sounds drugged or drunk.

Telling people to go back to Nigeria (or whatever she was trying to say) isn't abuse? Okay then

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Oh, England England England. You once ruled a quarter of the world's people and now I sometimes wonder if you even rule your own backyard. It seems you have to walk on eggshells when it comes to dealing with people from other parts of the world.

That's pretty much the same rhetoric the likes of the BNP use, like I said before you're just being a racism apologist here

[Samuel.]

Just showed her ignorance when she couldn't even name an African country

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Oh, England England England. You once ruled a quarter of the world's people and now I sometimes wonder if you even rule your own backyard. It seems you have to walk on eggshells when it comes to dealing with people from other parts of the world.

Yes the British Empire
I would be running a Nation now
sending some of the posters to the Prison Island.



They Were the Days.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I tell you what. Watching the video my first instinct was to laugh at how much of a fuss all this was making. I look at it like the woman was embarrassing herself and not "abusing" anyone. If anything I was more worried about HER safety as a few people around her seemed to be giving vibes that they'd like to go over to her and strangle her. A couple of them seemed to be thinking about it. The people who over-react to this stuff and think she should be thrown in prison are the ones that disturb me.

You, Liberty4eva, will tell me nothing.

MTVN
That's pretty much the same rhetoric the likes of the BNP use, like I said before you're just being a racism apologist here

Quite.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

Just showed her ignorance when she couldn't even name an African country

TBF. She showed her ignorance the minute she opened her mouth and began speaking.

[Sticks]

Actually a lot of those who made the British Empire great were Scottish

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Actually a lot of those who made the British Empire great were Scottish

There are indeed some great Scottish people......

[Liberty4eva]

I don't think many people on this thread realize this but if you do not have the freedom to say unpopular things, then you don't have freedom of speech at all. It's the unpopular speech that needs to be protected, not prosecuted. And people seem to differentiate saying racially unpopular things with unpopular things in general like they're two different things. Unpopular speech is unpopular speech whether it be about race, politics, religion.

The only reason why I keep going on and on about this is because the woman was arrested for doing relatively nothing. It's not her fault that people around her are so thin-skinned. The worst thing that should have happened to her is the train banning her for making their other customers uncomfortable. She certainly did not deserve to be arrested and CAN NOT BELIEVE people here agree that she should be behind bars.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I don't think many people on this thread realize this but if you do not have the freedom to say unpopular things, then you don't have freedom of speech at all. It's the unpopular speech that needs to be protected, not prosecuted. And people seem to differentiate saying racially unpopular things with unpopular things in general like they're two different things. Unpopular speech is unpopular speech whether it be about race, politics, religion.

The only reason why I keep going on and on about this is because the woman was arrested for doing relatively nothing. It's not her fault that people around her are so thin-skinned. The worst thing that should have happened to her is the train banning her for making their other customers uncomfortable. She certainly did not deserve to be arrested and CAN NOT BELIEVE people here agree that she should be behind bars.

I think you will find that the Law decides that. Not you. (and they did).

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Snowball

I think you will find that the Law decides that. Not you. (and they did).

Who made the law? The commission for racial equality or whatever? LOL

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Who made the law? The commission for racial equality or whatever? LOL

Glad that you are able to establish that words such as 'racial equality' do belong together. Although I will say that the manner in which you have actually done so above, lends itself to suggesting stongly that you may not agree with racial equality. I'll ask that one to you: do you feel that one race should be allowed to abuse (verbally or otherwise) another?

[MTVN]

Yeah I don't think saying "the Law says this so it is right" is much of an argument, and I also don't necessarily believe this is the sort of thing that should be dealt with by chucking her behind bars, it's more your disregard for the woman's racism that I find objectionable

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah I don't think saying "the Law says this so it is right" is much of an argument, and I also don't necessarily believe this is the sort of thing that should be dealt with by chucking her behind bars, it's more your disregard for the woman's racism that I find objectionable

Well given that it is regarded as racist - and it is unlawful to be so here in the UK , clearly the Law must be right to say so - otherwise one part of your statement contradicts the other. If it was not the Law, then there would be no need for anyone to regard, or disregard this woman's comments - as it would mean not a thing.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Well given that it is regarded as racist - and it is unlawful to be so here in the UK , clearly the Law must be right to say so - otherwise one part of your statement contradicts the other. If it was not the Law, then there would be no need for anyone to regard, or disregard this woman's comments - as it would mean not a thing.

My statement doesn't contradict, I was just making a point regarding your dogmatic appeal to the law - because the laws say it is so, it must be so, and any opinion that goes against the law is therefore irrelevant

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

My statement doesn't contradict, I was just making a point regarding your dogmatic appeal to the law - because the laws say it is so, it must be so, and any opinion that goes against the law is therefore irrelevant

Oh dear... 'my dogmatic appeal to the law'.

I have to possibly state the obvious here: but given that the Law states a particular action or behaviour is unlawful or illegal - thems the terms that we have to abide by. Whether we agree with them or not.

That's not dogmatic. That's fact.

Where did I say that any opinion that goes against the law is therefore irrelevant. I have indicated nothing of the sort.

[MTVN]

If someone says "she shouldn't be arrested" and states that as their opinion, it doesn't really matter whether the law agrees with it or not, they can still have that view

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

If someone says "she shouldn't be arrested" and states that as their opinion, it doesn't really matter whether the law agrees with it or not, they can still have that view

No need for the rolly eyes MTVN.

Where have I stated that no one can have a different view or is not allowed their opinion?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

She certainly did not deserve to be arrested

Originally Posted by Snowball

I think you will find that the Law decides that. Not you. (and they did).

The key word in Liberty's post was "deserve", they were simply disagreeing with the law

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The key word in Liberty's post was "deserve", they were simply disagreeing with the law

If someone says "she shouldn't be arrested" and states that as their opinion, it doesn't really matter whether the law agrees with it or not, they can still have that view

They can disagree with the Law all they like, it makes no difference to the end result.

I will ask you again MTVN. Where did I state that someone's opinion was invalid or that they could not have a view.

in fact, I'll refer you back to this part of my own previous post:

I have to possibly state the obvious here: but given that the Law states a particular action or behaviour is unlawful or illegal - thems the terms that we have to abide by. Whether we agree with them or not.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Glad that you are able to establish that words such as 'racial equality' do belong together. Although I will say that the manner in which you have actually done so above, lends itself to suggesting stongly that you may not agree with racial equality. I'll ask that one to you: do you feel that one race should be allowed to abuse (verbally or otherwise) another?

People should be allowed to say what's on their minds, no matter how offensive it be. What do you have to say about Middle Eastern cultures where it's against the law to insult the prophet Muhammad or Islam? Should they be sent to prison? The law is the law afterall?

Now, as an outsider looking in, the sacred cow in the UK is race.

[MTVN]

Urgh this is off-topic and be unnecessarily dragged out; I'm just saying that you can disagree with something being the law and you just saying "well you don't decide the law" in response isn't the best argument IMO

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

People should be allowed to say what's on their minds, no matter how offensive it be.

What do you have to say about Middle Eastern cultures where it's against the law to insult the prophet Muhammad or Islam? Should they be sent to prison? The law is the law afterall?

Now, as an outsider looking in, the sacred cow in the UK is race.

This is a thread about the UK and an incident that happened here.

It is not a thread about comparing legalities within or to other countries: as has been pointed out to you several pages ago - indeed, I even requoted MTVN's post to Lost Alex with regards to staying on topic.