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View Poll Results: Was the Big Man right or wrong to throw the boy off the train? | ||||||
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14-12-2011, 12:19 AM | #126 | ||
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oh fack off
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I'm sorry but I'm still finding it hard to believe that anyone could condone the behaviour of this 'big man', I mean seriously it's just delusional.
There is no excuse for anybody other than senior relevant authorities to step in and use physical force to remove somebody from a certain situation, that is after all what they're employed for. It is nothing more than a pathetic attempt at showing off to other people. I've got news for you, and him - you are not security officers or the police force, you are regular people, customers of a train service, and you do not have any right whatsoever to intervene with issues that let's be honest, do not really concern you (no, being delayed is no excuse, as relevant authorities would still have sorted the problem), and you almost certainly do not have any right to use physical force against someone unless in self defence. Seeing as he didn't physically attack anyone at any point, and you are just a regular person, it is nothing to do with you, and that is that. Innocent until proven guilty. No excuses for physical force/violence. Talk about sending the wrong message out... |
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14-12-2011, 12:19 AM | #127 | ||
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With way too much force, by a random person who had nothing to do with it all and was just trying to show off (IMO of course )
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14-12-2011, 12:21 AM | #128 | |||
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All hail the Moyesiah
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14-12-2011, 12:24 AM | #129 | ||
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The guy states he had been out and drinking. is there proof that this is due to the train incident or perhaps he was that pissed, he fell on his way home on foot. After all........ the guy LIES about not getting his bag back..... so I'll hazard a guess that this was not as a result of him being chucked off the train either. That's the thing with liars MTVN....... tell one lie and get caught out; and it weakens anything else you say. |
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14-12-2011, 12:25 AM | #130 | |||
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Why would he still have fresh blood on his face? must have got home quick.
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14-12-2011, 12:26 AM | #131 | |||
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How do you know he lied about not getting his bag, why couldn't he have two bags, one of the might have been in the compartment or something?
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14-12-2011, 12:27 AM | #132 | ||
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How does that work with people in pubs who have had one too many too drink, are becoming awkward, difficult and causing upset to other customers....... I know for absolute FACT ----- FACT, that the same type of 'Right, you're leaving NOW" and being man handled, takes place in pubs, clubs all over the UK night in, night out. |
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14-12-2011, 12:28 AM | #133 | |||
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There is lots we dont know. But as admirable as you think the passenger who threw the youth off is, we do know he committed an assault on the youth. The only people allowed to "lay hands" on another person and physically remove them from a train are the police, transport police and duly authorised personnel in the execution of their duty. This isnt a case of citizen's arrest. It is assault, pure and simple and as soon as some other numpty whispers the word compensation claim in the youths ear he will no doubt make a complaint. Such is life. |
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14-12-2011, 12:29 AM | #134 | ||
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It is not the job of random passengers on trains to act the big man and throw others off. Jack did mention the 'relevant autorities'...in the case of bars and clubs...that would be the bouncers. And if things escalated too much, then the police.
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14-12-2011, 12:30 AM | #135 | ||
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Who is to say that even IF he had a 2nd/3rd bag, that he didn;t leave it somewhere else and didn't even board the train with it....after all, he and daddy confess he was out on the schwally......... does things to your memory that, as well as your balance. |
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14-12-2011, 12:31 AM | #136 | ||
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It works because bouncers are employed specifically with the job of removing people who are (or will start) causing trouble, using physical force if required. They are employed for that very reason. It is their job to do that. For some strange reason I don't think the 'big man' was employed to sit on ScotRail train services waiting for someone not to pay their fare and for him to then throw them off the train. Can't say I've ever seen job advertisements for that. |
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14-12-2011, 12:31 AM | #137 | |||
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All hail the Moyesiah
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14-12-2011, 12:33 AM | #138 | |||
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The Security Industry Authority trains them not only in aspects of applicable law but also in basic restraint and manhandling techniques. That doesnt of course mean they will always act according to their training but they are authorised under scottish law and also local council bye laws to manhandle people if necessary in the pursuit of their duties. Last edited by Shasown; 14-12-2011 at 12:38 AM. |
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14-12-2011, 12:33 AM | #139 | ||
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How do pubs deal with such things..... very few that I know off, wait for the relevant authorities to be contacted and respond. more often than not, the same force is used to remove them, and often - by other punters in the pub who have had enough. What's the difference then? |
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14-12-2011, 12:37 AM | #140 | ||
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14-12-2011, 12:37 AM | #141 | |||
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Again funny old thing policemen are taught about not escalating situations where possible, they are taught how to defuse situations by calm conversation etc. |
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14-12-2011, 12:38 AM | #142 | ||
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14-12-2011, 12:40 AM | #143 | |||
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14-12-2011, 12:40 AM | #144 | ||
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Again, the bottom line of it is - unless it is in self defence, you have no right to physically force someone, or be violent towards someone no matter what the reason behind it is is. |
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14-12-2011, 12:41 AM | #145 | ||
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I very much doubt the guy was an off duty police officer...or he would have mentioned that...and he would have been trained in control and restraint, conflict management etc etc so he wouldnt have nearly squashed someones kid while just pushing the other guy... He would also have known that mentioning he was a PC/flashing his badge would probably make the 19 yr old more likely to listen to him Im going to leave this thread now. So its up to you if you reply or not. But IMO this argument is now getting very very silly
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14-12-2011, 12:41 AM | #146 | ||
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14-12-2011, 12:43 AM | #147 | |||
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Pyramid at the end of the day there was no excuse for Big mans actions, he was a thug and jumped at the chance to throw him off the train. He is no hero and he should be dealt with by the law, he was by far the worst out of the three of them.
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14-12-2011, 12:43 AM | #148 | ||
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Bit pathetic though. Come on, you clearly know, as do most people, the difference between an employed bouncer and a passenger on a ScotRail train service. There is no correlation between the two, and you are definitely clutching at straws for comparisons.
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14-12-2011, 12:44 AM | #149 | ||
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Far as I am concerned, the one in the wrong was the 19 year old for all f the reasons I have stated. Nighty night !! |
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14-12-2011, 12:44 AM | #150 | ||
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At the end of the day: I am perfectly entitled to my own opinion -whether people agree or not.
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