[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LivT

No shame. Lostlex. It isn't my problem when you fail to denote a light hearted comment, ending with a *wink*

As for you character assessment on me. I am entitled to say what I think...without that character assessment turning into an an assasination from you. I'm happy to debate, maturely, but on that score, your opines are of no consequence to me

I wasn't judging your character, I was judging your words. Sorry if you misunderstood, i didn't mean to make it sound that way.

[LivT]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I wasn't judging your character, I was judging your words. Sorry if you misunderstood, i didn't mean to make it sound that way.

No apology necessary but thank you, regardless

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I'm not religious but it's a bit rich of some people here to call the US "backwards" for being more religious than most. Isn't the Queen supposed to be like the head of the UK's official state religion? From what I understand she is, in theory, supposed to get her power to govern the peasants by the will of god. Until you guys scrap this disgusting royal family (with all its wealth that it never earned) it's a bit hypocritical for you to bemoan the US for not being atheist enough or call us "backwards". At least we don't maintain and take pride in a system that belongs in medieval times.

I'm proud to say the United States was founded by deists, the 18th century equivalent of atheists. All the founding documents were written by and the first few presidents were secularists. Thomas Jefferson practically defines what America is supposed to believe and he was one of the most skeptical of religion and certainly was not a Christian.

So if i was a declared atheist american am i likely to become president anytime soon?

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So if i was a declared atheist american am i likely to become president anytime soon?

It's possible to become president without wearing your religion on your sleeve. Jesse Ventura became governor of a state even though he's an atheist. You don't have to be religious to become president. It's just that you can't be openly anti-religious.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

It's possible to become president without wearing your religion on your sleeve. Jesse Ventura became governor of a state even though he's an atheist. You don't have to be religious to become president. It's just that you can't be openly anti-religious.

Being the Governor of Minnesota is hardly comparable?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I'm not religious but it's a bit rich of some people here to call the US "backwards" for being more religious than most. Isn't the Queen supposed to be like the head of the UK's official state religion? From what I understand she is, in theory, supposed to get her power to govern the peasants by the will of god. Until you guys scrap this disgusting royal family (with all its wealth that it never earned) it's a bit hypocritical for you to bemoan the US for not being atheist enough or call us "backwards". At least we don't maintain and take pride in a system that belongs in medieval times.

I'm proud to say the United States was founded by deists, the 18th century equivalent of atheists. All the founding documents were written by and the first few presidents were secularists. Thomas Jefferson practically defines what America is supposed to believe and he was one of the most skeptical of religion and certainly was not a Christian.

Thank you! I wanted to go into the whole state religion and monarchy being heads of the anglican church stuff, but i'm always accused of being anti-english if i mention anything like that. But you are making a really good point. America does have more of a separation of church and state than the UK.

The idea that the US is anti-science, when America has provided innumerable contributions to science in the last century, is purely laughable.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Your Queen owns more land than any other human being on the planet. I'd venture to say she is merely "symbolic" is a bit of an understatement. If all that land was converted into money at market value, she'd make Bill Gates look like a pauper. It seems to me she has more influence and power than people in the UK would like to admit. I remember that during the last royal wedding people who planned to protest (peacefully) the royal family were preemptively arrested before even going there.

Well I'm no fan of the Monarchy, I'd rather we didn't have one personally, but regardless of her land she still plays very little active role in politics whereas Religion seems almost inseparable from it to many in the States, mostly on the Republican side. And yes I remember that as well, I thought it was a disgrace.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well I'm no fan of the Monarchy, I'd rather we didn't have one personally, but regardless of her land she still plays very little active role in politics whereas Religion seems almost inseparable from it to many in the States, mostly on the Republican side. And yes I remember that as well, I thought it was a disgrace.

You should dig up and watch the last Republican debate yesterday. They really didn't discuss anything that involved religion.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

You should dig up and watch the last Republican debate yesterday. They really didn't discuss anything that involved religion.

to be fair though, that debate was on CNN, and CNN is more neutral than the other networks.

[Liberty4eva]

From my vantage point (thousands of miles away looking into the UK), it seems to me that new credes just as dogmatic and harmful as religion have sprung up and filled in the vacuum left by a lack of religion. Rabid environmentalism so extreme that they'll make commercials of children exploding as punishment when they refuse to reduce their carbon footprint. An obsession with racial equality that is so unhealthy they'll forego freedom of speech and arrest someone who accuses someone clearly not born in the UK of not being English while on a train.

The UK isn't as religious as the US. But I'd be lying if I said I was jealous considering what has replaced religion in your country.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

From my vantage point (thousands of miles away looking into the UK), it seems to me that new credes just as dogmatic and harmful as religion have sprung up and filled in the vacuum left by a lack of religion. Rabid environmentalism so extreme that they'll make commercials of children exploding as punishment when they refuse to reduce their carbon footprint. An obsession with racial equality that is so unhealthy they'll forego freedom of speech and arrest someone who accuses someone clearly not born in the UK of not being English while on a train.

The UK isn't as religious as the US. But I'd be lying if I said I was jealous considering what has replaced religion in your country.

We are just more developed. As your young country develops it will abandon its hypocritcal superstitions and go down a more adult secular route (and route rhymes with root not rowt)

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

We are just more developed. As your young country develops it will abandon its hypocritcal superstitions and go down a more adult secular route (and route rhymes with root not rowt)

If you're so developed why do most UK citizens take pride in a medieval system of kings and queens? That's so silly. When are ya going to join the 21st century and ditch this repugnant family?