[Kizzy]

Well you can understand why some young people may get confused then, there really shouldn't be a you can/you cant approach...its crazy and can only hinder integration.
As for reclaiming words, how far back does 'gay' go when referring to homosexuals?......

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by kizzy

As for reclaiming words, how far back does 'gay' go when referring to homosexuals?......

The mid 1960s.

Originally Posted by kizzy

Well you can understand why some young people may get confused then, there really shouldn't be a you can/you cant approach...its crazy and can only hinder integration.
As for reclaiming words, how far back does 'gay' go when referring to homosexuals?......

No, I can't understand why white people would ever use the word.

As far as white people go, the allowed times = never.

As far as black people go, the allowed times = whenever they want.

Simple rules.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

No, I can't understand why white people would ever use the word.

Well neither do I.

But I dont understand why black people would want to either tbh.

And I think its wrong to say its ok for one race but not another :S

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

No, I can't understand why white people would ever use the word.

so you can't understand why someone singing along with a song would say it?

You can't understand why someone explaining what someone else said would say it?

There are a million reasons a white person can say the N-word without being racist.

The only time it's racist is if you calling a person that word.

And also there is not carte blanche for black people eigther. If a black person was being racist and saying that most black people are N-words, and that they are ashamed of their race. Then do you still think it's okay for that black person to use the word?

Is it less bad for a hispanic person to use the N-word?

What if i call a hispanic person the N-word, they arn't black so is it still offensive?

Str8 people seem to think it's okay to call each other F--gots, it's only offensive if you call a gay person that right? So i should be allowed to call a Hispanic the N-word by that logic...

Is it okay for White people to call Hipsanics the N-word?

Originally Posted by lostalex

so you can't understand why someone singing along with a song would say it?

You can't understand why someone explaining what someone else said would say it?

There are a million reasons a white person can say the N-word without being racist.

The only time it's racist is if you calling a person that word.

And also there is not carte blanche for black people eigther. If a black person was being racist and saying that most black people are N-words, and that they are ashamed of their race. Then do you still think it's okay for that black person to use the word?

Is it less bad for a hispanic person to use the N-word?

What if i call a hispanic person the N-word, they arn't black so is it still offensive?

Str8 people seem to think it's okay to call each other F--gots, it's only offensive if you call a gay person that right? So i should be allowed to call a Hispanic the N-word by that logic...

Is it okay for White people to call Hipsanics the N-word?

When you have to go out of your way to dream up bizarre scenarios, then you don't really have a point to make in the first place.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

When you have to go out of your way to dream up bizarre scenarios, then you don't really have a point to make in the first place.

bizarre scenarios?? REALLY?? lol.

wow, you are truly naive....

Originally Posted by lostalex

bizarre scenarios?? REALLY?? lol.

wow, you are truly naive....

Really? How so?

With the latest race hate shooting, resulting in the murder of Trayvon Martin, I'd have thought you would be be a little more aware.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Really? How so?

With the latest race hate shooting, resulting in the murder of Trayvon Martin, I'd have thought you would be be a little more aware.

aware of what? what does that have to do with ANYTHING i said, or ANYTHING to do with your response to me?

try making sense.

are you playing stupid like ironically or something? cause it's not cute if you think it is.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by lostalex

so you can't understand why someone singing along with a song would say it?

You can't understand why someone explaining what someone else said would say it?

There are a million reasons a white person can say the N-word without being racist.

The only time it's racist is if you calling a person that word.

And also there is not carte blanche for black people eigther. If a black person was being racist and saying that most black people are N-words, and that they are ashamed of their race. Then do you still think it's okay for that black person to use the word?

Is it less bad for a hispanic person to use the N-word?

What if i call a hispanic person the N-word, they arn't black so is it still offensive?

Str8 people seem to think it's okay to call each other F--gots, it's only offensive if you call a gay person that right? So i should be allowed to call a Hispanic the N-word by that logic...

Is it okay for White people to call Hipsanics the N-word?

Why are you always contradicting yourself?

You don't believe that race even exists and I know you know that Hispanic is not a race. So why are you even posting that? There are white Hispanics, black Hispanics etc. You already know this. So why even make this post?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Well you can understand why some young people may get confused then, there really shouldn't be a you can/you cant approach...its crazy and can only hinder integration.
As for reclaiming words, how far back does 'gay' go when referring to homosexuals?......

I agree with this actually. Racism is treating people differently because of their colour. So in essence saying only certain colour people can say a certain word...otherwise its racist and wrong, is racism in itself.

And yes, of course it will confuse some young people.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I agree with this actually. Racism is treating people differently because of their colour. So in essence saying only certain colour people can say a certain word...otherwise its racist and wrong, is racism in itself.

And yes, of course it will confuse some young people.

It's not though. It's acknowledging that white people treated black people abhorrently for much of recorded history, and we created a booming trade in the trafficking and enslaving of black people. A symbol of those times was the word ******.

It's quite right, that we should be respectful enough of the way white/black history is entwined, to voluntarily not have that word in our vocabulary. It's also quite right, that black culture be allowed to "reclaim" that word, and use for themselves for the next couple of hundred years.

If we, as white people even forbid black people to use the word, then we put ourselves back in a position of master, dictating what black people can or can't say. It should be the sole choice of the black community whether/how they use that word.

The shame is ours, not theirs.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

It's not though. It's saying that white people treated black people abhorrently for much of recorded history, and we created a booming trade in the trafficking and enslaving of black people. A symbol of those times was the word ******.

It's quite right, that we should be respectful enough of the way white/black history is entwined, to voluntarily not have that word in our vocabulary. It's also quite right, that black culture be allowed to "reclaim" that word, and use for themselves for the next couple of hundred years.

If we, as white people even forbid black people to use the word, then we put ourselves back in a position of master, dictating what black people can or can't say. It should be the sole choice of the black community whether/how they use that word.

The shame is ours, not theirs.

rubbish....all rubbish imo!

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by kizzy

rubbish....all rubbish imo!

You are saying what a black person should be allowed to call another black person though?



Do you have any idea how foolish you would seem if you told black people that they should not be allowed to call each other ******.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by King_Anton

You are saying what a black person should be allowed to call another black person though?



Do you have any idea how foolish you would seem if you told black people that they should not be allowed to call each other ******.

Im not saying that.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

It's not though. It's acknowledging that white people treated black people abhorrently for much of recorded history, and we created a booming trade in the trafficking and enslaving of black people. A symbol of those times was the word ******.

It's quite right, that we should be respectful enough of the way white/black history is entwined, to voluntarily not have that word in our vocabulary. It's also quite right, that black culture be allowed to "reclaim" that word, and use for themselves for the next couple of hundred years.

If we, as white people even forbid black people to use the word, then we put ourselves back in a position of master, dictating what black people can or can't say. It should be the sole choice of the black community whether/how they use that word.

The shame is ours, not theirs.

Funny. I dont remember enslaving any black people. So no, I have no shame about that tbh, I cant help what people who lived hundreds of years before me did.

I do get what you are saying, but this whole 'reclaiming the word' stuff is nonsense to me. If the word has so much stigma attached to it, why would ANYONE want to say it, ever? I just dont get it.

Now, I would never personally say n*****. I just have no reason to ever say it. But I still do not, and never will think its right, for anything to be decided/different based on what colour you are.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

That's your opinion, and one which seems ignorant to me. But you and Kizzy are entitled to your own opinions, at least. I've explained it a couple of times, and if you haven't got it by now then you probably never will.

What about a person with a black father and white mother, can they use the word?

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

What about a person with a black father and white mother, can they use the word?

That would be me funnily enough. I dont really use it as much as most of my friends but I would be allowed to use it yeah. Especially if it is your father who is black but it's the same either way.

[GypsyGoth]

Yea I think it's the context the word is used in. If friends are saying in a fun and friendly way, I think it's a good word.

But when it's used as an insult or in a derogatory way, then that's wrong.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

That's your opinion, and one which seems ignorant to me. But you and Kizzy are entitled to your own opinions, at least. I've explained it a couple of times, and if you haven't got it by now then you probably never will.

No that's a fact,if Vicky was involved in the slavery of black people I am pretty confident that she would be dead by now.

Originally Posted by jedward fever

No that's a fact,if Vicky was involved in the slavery of black people I am pretty confident that she would be dead by now.

The acknowledgment of history was the point I was making.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

The acknowledgment of history was the point I was making.

Well of course I acknowledge the history and think what white people did back then was ****ing horrible.

But to say I should feel shame for something I was no part of...well...that was more my point.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

It's not though. It's acknowledging that white people treated black people abhorrently for much of recorded history, and we created a booming trade in the trafficking and enslaving of black people. A symbol of those times was the word ******.

It's quite right, that we should be respectful enough of the way white/black history is entwined, to voluntarily not have that word in our vocabulary. It's also quite right, that black culture be allowed to "reclaim" that word, and use for themselves for the next couple of hundred years.

If we, as white people even forbid black people to use the word, then we put ourselves back in a position of master, dictating what black people can or can't say. It should be the sole choice of the black community whether/how they use that word.

The shame is ours, not theirs.

I agree with this. I mean I'm not saying that I think we are responsible as such, for things our ancestors did but I don't see what the problem is with showing a bit of respect either for Black peoples history.

I know I for one have no call to use the word ****** in my life and I don't see what the issue of not using it is with people.