[sampvt]

I was just wondering if he lost it inside a woman he failed to tell he was undergoing a change. He said he fooled his wife for 2 months. Maybe he chose a twix because it has ripple like varacous veins, TMI eh, lol. I simply canty find any reason to like this despicable person, sorry but he is disgusting.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I was just wondering if he lost it inside a woman he failed to tell he was undergoing a change. He said he fooled his wife for 2 months. Maybe he chose a twix because it has ripple like varacous veins, TMI eh, lol. I simply canty find any reason to like this despicable person, sorry but he is disgusting.

He didn't "fool his wife" she assumed he is a man, and he is. How can you fool someone into thinking you are what you are?

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by lostalex

He didn't "fool his wife" she assumed he is a man, and he is. How can you fool someone into thinking you are what you are?

[sarakss]

Originally Posted by lostalex

He didn't "fool his wife" she assumed he is a man, and he is. How can you fool someone into thinking you are what you are?

Actually he did. She assumed he was a man because he made himself appear to be a man. He changed his body, voice, name, etc. Luke knows when he gets into a relationship with people, he's hiding vital things about himself. It's difficult because most of us don't have to worry about having to reveal our real gender to others; he does.


Even if the law says you can now be a man, it doesn't mean you really are. Biologically, Luke is a woman. Luke has a vagina, not a penis. If Luke stops taking his meds, he'll go back to being a woman. We, as a society, make accommodations for people that's why as much as we know Luke is biologically a woman, we refer to Luke as him, not her.


As much as he's entitled to live his life in a body that's comfortable for him, let's not forget he has to hide things about himself. Even his employer did not know he was a woman until the series started.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by sarakss

Actually he did. She assumed he was a man because he made himself appear to be a man. He changed his body, voice, name, etc. Luke knows when he gets into a relationship with people, he's hiding vital things about himself. It's difficult because most of us don't have to worry about having to reveal our real gender to others; he does.


Even if the law says you can now be a man, it doesn't mean you really are. Biologically, Luke is a woman. Luke has a vagina, not a penis. If Luke stops taking his meds, he'll go back to being a woman. We, as a society, make accommodations for people that's why as much as we know Luke is biologically a woman, we refer to Luke as him, not her.


As much as he's entitled to live his life in a body that's comfortable for him, let's not forget he has to hide things about himself. Even his employer did not know he was a woman until the series started.

I have been saying the same thing for 3 weeks now but couldnt have put it the way you have, well done, the voice of reason.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by sarakss

Actually he did. She assumed he was a man because he made himself appear to be a man. He changed his body, voice, name, etc. Luke knows when he gets into a relationship with people, he's hiding vital things about himself. It's difficult because most of us don't have to worry about having to reveal our real gender to others; he does.


Even if the law says you can now be a man, it doesn't mean you really are. Biologically, Luke is a woman. Luke has a vagina, not a penis. If Luke stops taking his meds, he'll go back to being a woman. We, as a society, make accommodations for people that's why as much as we know Luke is biologically a woman, we refer to Luke as him, not her.


As much as he's entitled to live his life in a body that's comfortable for him, let's not forget he has to hide things about himself. Even his employer did not know he was a woman until the series started.

well i disagree with you. I think everyone hides certain things in the beginnings of a relationship. To me it's no different then a woman wearing loads of makeup or putting chicken fillets in their bras to make their breasts look bigger. Everyone hides certain things to be more attractive to people at the start. He never lied about being a man because he is a man.

It would be lying if he pretended to have a penis or specifically, but i don't think he did lie about having a penis. We all put on a facade when we are dating i think, and clearly his wife doesn't feel like she was duped because they are still together. So if she doesn't feel lied to then who are you to say she was lied to?

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well i disagree with you. I think everyone hides certain things in the beginnings of a relationship. To me it's no different then a woman wearing loads of makeup or putting chicken fillets in their bras to make their breasts look bigger. Everyone hides certain things to be more attractive to people at the start. He never lied about being a man because he is a man.

It would be lying if he pretended to have a penis, but i don't think he did lie about having a penis.

He didnt need to lie about having a penis, he had a twix at thr ready.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by sampvt

He didnt need to lie about having a penis, he had a twix at thr ready.

LOL well some women would prefer a twix to a penis

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by lostalex

LOL well some women would prefer a twix to a penis

This isnt fair, when and how did you get to talk to my wife.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well i disagree with you. I think everyone hides certain things in the beginnings of a relationship. To me it's no different then a woman wearing loads of makeup or putting chicken fillets in their bras to make their breasts look bigger. Everyone hides certain things to be more attractive to people at the start. He never lied about being a man because he is a man.

It would be lying if he pretended to have a penis, but i don't think he did lie about having a penis.

He didnt need to lie about having a penis, he had a twix at the ready.

[sarakss]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well i disagree with you. I think everyone hides certain things in the beginnings of a relationship. To me it's no different then a woman wearing loads of makeup or putting chicken fillets in their bras to make their breasts look bigger. Everyone hides certain things to be more attractive to people at the start. He never lied about being a man because he is a man.

It would be lying if he pretended to have a penis or specifically, but i don't think he did lie about having a penis. We all put on a facade when we are dating i think, and clearly his wife doesn't feel like she was duped because they are still together. So if she doesn't feel lied to then who are you to say she was lied to?

Fair enough to disagree with me, but I stand behind my opinion. If I started dating a man and found out later he was a biological woman, that lying by omission is far more severe than if he stuffed his pants to make himself appear well-endowed.

I think your example of using make-up or stuffing bras does not help with your own argument because you're confirming that he's in fact taking drastic steps to make himself appear to be who he's not. You talk about women stuffing their bras, but Luke had his breasts removed. He's done everything to make himself appear to be someone he's naturally not. He's deceiving people from the start and he knows he is which is why he admits he has a secret.

We give each other the benefit of the doubt by assuming a person is the way they present themselves. He has gone through extraordinary lengths to appear to be someone he's really not. He's legally a man, but that's just paperwork. We all know he's not.

Men have penises, men can produce sperm. If Luke gets a penis, it's going to be done through surgery by taking hormones. He will never be able to produce sperm. He can be very advanced scientifically, but there are some occasions where nature will trump science.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by sarakss

Fair enough to disagree with me, but I stand behind my opinion. If I started dating a man and found out later he was a biological woman, that lying by omission is far more severe than if he stuffed his pants to make himself appear well-endowed.

I think your example of using make-up or stuffing bras does not help with your own argument because you're confirming that he's in fact taking drastic steps to make himself appear to be who he's not. You talk about women stuffing their bras, but Luke had his breasts removed. He's done everything to make himself appear to be someone he's naturally not. He's deceiving people from the start and he knows he is which is why he admits he has a secret.

We give each other the benefit of the doubt by assuming a person is the way they present themselves. He has gone through extraordinary lengths to appear to be someone he's really not. He's legally a man, but that's just paperwork. We all know he's not.

Men have penises, men can produce sperm. If Luke gets a penis, it's going to be done through surgery by taking hormones. He will never be able to produce sperm. He can be very advanced scientifically, but there are some occasions where nature will trump science.

and what about men who arn't fertile, maybe they had a form of cancer that makes them unable to have children, shoulkd a man have to tell a girl he is infertile on the first date, or a woman who can't have biological children.

You think it's offensive if they don't say it in the first date? It's no different than luke A.

Believe it or not, being able to have children is not the most important thing in a relationship. This is the year 2012, women and men arn't just getting into a relationship to procreate. For most of us it's about love, not just making babies.

[sarakss]

Originally Posted by lostalex

and what about men who arn't fertile, maybe they had a form of cancer that makes them unable to have children, shoulkd a man have to tell a girl he is infertile on the first date, or a woman who can't have biological children.

You think it's offensive if they don't say it in the first date? It's no different than luke A.

Believe it or not, being able to have children is not the most important thing in a relationship. This is the year 2012, women and men arn't just getting into a relationship to procreate. For most of us it's about love, not just making babies.

I knew you were going to say something like this which is why I used the word 'can' - as in having the ability to do something. A man can produce sperm, a woman will never be able to.

This is not a question of fertility so the issue of procreation is moot; this is a question of biological identity - man versus woman.

If we're talking about deceit, I believe a woman stuffing her bra and a woman who's gone through a process to make herself appear to be someone she's biologically not are light years apart.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by sarakss

Actually he did. She assumed he was a man because he made himself appear to be a man. He changed his body, voice, name, etc. Luke knows when he gets into a relationship with people, he's hiding vital things about himself. It's difficult because most of us don't have to worry about having to reveal our real gender to others; he does.


Even if the law says you can now be a man, it doesn't mean you really are. Biologically, Luke is a woman. Luke has a vagina, not a penis. If Luke stops taking his meds, he'll go back to being a woman. We, as a society, make accommodations for people that's why as much as we know Luke is biologically a woman, we refer to Luke as him, not her.


As much as he's entitled to live his life in a body that's comfortable for him, let's not forget he has to hide things about himself. Even his employer did not know he was a woman until the series started.

Are you a male?