[lostalex]

Well believing in something doesn't make it true. If the guy identifies as christian then he is christian, he's not a jew. and having ancestors that were jewish, well don't all christians have ancestors that were jews? jesus christ himself was a jew, the original christians, the disciples were all jews, so having jewish ancestry doesn't make someone any less christian.

All christians still use and believe in the old testament which is a jewish text. so having jewish ancestry has nothing to do with you being a christian or not.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Well believing in something doesn't make it true. If the guy identifies as christian then he is christian, he's not a jew. and having ancestors that were jewish, well don't all christians have ancestors that were jews? jesus christ himself was a jew, the original christians, the disciples were all jews, so having jewish ancestry doesn't make someone any less christian.

If that's what you believe, than that's fine. However, putting aside the fact that we believe if your Grandmother was a Jew, you are too... can you imagine how sweet it feels for a Jew to hear that someone like him, someone so full of hate, has Jewish family? Knowing how humiliated he will be knowing his blood is not pure? That he isn't the "Aryan" he thought he was? And whether he believes the decendancy thing or not, we do. And he knows that we do. And it's enough.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

If that's what you believe, than that's fine. However, putting aside the fact that we believe if your Grandmother was a Jew, you are too... can you imagine how sweet it feels for a Jew to hear that someone like him, someone so full of hate, has Jewish family? Knowing how humiliated he will be knowing his blood is not pure? That he isn't the "Aryan" he thought he was? And whether he believes the decendancy thing or not, we do. And he knows that we do. And it's enough.

I don't know why it would be "sweet". If he's a jew, he's a very very hateful jew. So what does it say about jews, if you consider him to be a jew, that he is spreading this kind of hate?

It's like when a conservative republican is super homophobic, spreads tons of hate against gays, and then you find out that he has been sleeping with men, and is gay himself. Do i think that is "sweet" as a gay man?? no i don't. It makes me very very sad as a gay man.

So i don't know why you as a jew, would find it "sweet" to see a jew doing the same thing.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I don't know why it would be "sweet". If he's a jew, he's a very very hateful jew. So what does it say about jews, if you consider him to be a jew, that he is spreading this kind of hate?

It's like when a conservative republican is super homophobic, spreads tons of hate against gays, and then you find out that he has been sleeping with men, and is gay himself. Do i think that is "sweet" as a gay man?? no i don't. It makes me very very sad as a gay man.

So i don't know why you as a jew, would find it "sweet" to see a jew doing the same thing.

I find it sweet because he's a full-blown, Jew-hating nazi. Now it turns out his family suffered at the hands of people like him in concentration camps. His own family - beaten, starved, humiliated, murdered. Perhaps it will make him understand that he is the same today as he was yesterday. He is the same man now as he was before he knew about his Jewish heritage. Is he a bad man now, in his own eyes? Is he less than he was before he was considered to be a Jew? No. He is the same. We are all the same. We just believe in different things, and that is not a reason to hate and to persecute.