[Pyramid*]

I have always said that if you want (hard enough) to work and want a job: you will get one - and if you want to work: you will chose the avenues available that will source work for you. I'm very pleased to have been proven correct on this one.

Myself and no less than 5 others that I worked with - within weeks of being given notice of impending redundancies - each and every one of us secured new employment even before our final working day.

Not one of us had to downgrade either on position/ renumeration /package: in fact, every one of us found employment which included higher salaries and better Company benefits than we had - after only one interview each - and all with different companies.

so please... someone care to explain to me why there are those in society who bleat on about it being so hard to get work - or work that pays well.... because from the evidence I've seen over the past few weeks: getting a new job is far from difficult.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I have always said that if you want (hard enough) to work and want a job: you will get one - and if you want to work: you will chose the avenues available that will source work for you. I'm very pleased to have been proven correct on this one.

Myself and no less than 5 others that I worked with - within weeks of being given notice of impending redundancies - each and every one of us secured new employment even before our final working day.

Not one of us had to downgrade either on position/ renumeration /package: in fact, every one of us found employment which included higher salaries and better Company benefits than we had - after only one interview each - and all with different companies.

so please... someone care to explain to me why there are those in society who bleat on about it being so hard to get work - or work that pays well.... because from the evidence I've seen over the past few weeks: getting a new job is far from difficult.

so you lot went from working at burger king to mcdonalds!
good for you!

[_Seth]

What job did you all have a now? Maybe you're in an area which is recruiting lots.

[Marc]

What job did you have

[Jake.]

I applied for my job on a Monday, was given my induction in less than a week

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I have always said that if you want (hard enough) to work and want a job: you will get one - and if you want to work: you will chose the avenues available that will source work for you. I'm very pleased to have been proven correct on this one.

Myself and no less than 5 others that I worked with - within weeks of being given notice of impending redundancies - each and every one of us secured new employment even before our final working day.

Not one of us had to downgrade either on position/ renumeration /package: in fact, every one of us found employment which included higher salaries and better Company benefits than we had - after only one interview each - and all with different companies.

so please... someone care to explain to me why there are those in society who bleat on about it being so hard to get work - or work that pays well.... because from the evidence I've seen over the past few weeks: getting a new job is far from difficult.

Some people just don't want to work Pyramid,there is always work if you really want it

[Lee.]

I've always managed to get a job when needed Pyramid.. I think a lot of people are either too lazy or look at some jobs as beneath them.

U do believe I'd you keep an open mind and are willing to try new things, most people could get a job. The first time I was made redundant, the job centre offered me an opportunity with the local council...as a grasscutter, and I was happy enough to give it a try. Thankfully something else came up but tbh, it was a job and I would have been quite happy donning a nice pair of dungarees and giving it a shot!

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I've always managed to get a job when needed Pyramid.. I think a lot of people are either too lazy or look at some jobs as beneath them.

U do believe I'd you keep an open mind and are willing to try new things, most people could get a job. The first time I was made redundant, the job centre offered me an opportunity with the local council...as a grasscutter, and I was happy enough to give it a try. Thankfully something else came up but tbh, it was a job and I would have been quite happy donning a nice pair of dungarees and giving it a shot!

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

so you lot went from working at burger king to mcdonalds!
good for you!

Weans still playing at being weans eh.... you do realise this is in the serious discussion part of the forum? I'd be very grateful if you took your fishing line elsewhere and stopped the obvious baiting. It's rather mundane and very transparent. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Phlip

What job did you all have a now? Maybe you're in an area which is recruiting lots.

Logistics. Jobs secured: Regional Logistics Manager /Logistics Coordinators / Specialist administrator / Branch Quality Manager... we all secured very different roles within Logistics from roles we held before.

Originally Posted by Marc

What job did you have

Previously Branch Manager. Logistics. New role: Branch Quality Manager

Originally Posted by JH95

I applied for my job on a Monday, was given my induction in less than a week

Someone else who found it far from difficult, great stuff.

Originally Posted by kazanne

Some people just don't want to work Pyramid,there is always work if you really want it

I do have to agree Kaz. We could all hang around waiting for our ideal preferred job to land on our lap - I'd call that pretty soul destroying (and well as limiting as far as 'living life' goes too).

Originally Posted by Lee.

I've always managed to get a job when needed Pyramid.. I think a lot of people are either too lazy or look at some jobs as beneath them.

U do believe I'd you keep an open mind and are willing to try new things, most people could get a job. The first time I was made redundant, the job centre offered me an opportunity with the local council...as a grasscutter, and I was happy enough to give it a try. Thankfully something else came up but tbh, it was a job and I would have been quite happy donning a nice pair of dungarees and giving it a shot!

I agree: I think some do have the ''it's beneath me'' attitude.

I was fully prepared to sign up for temping work of whatever nature - was fully accepting that it might take a few months of mundane work to keep active and earning - regardless - so pleased it worked out so much better - it's the fact that all of my crew found work in different places so quickly - so easily. I find it difficult to take seriously those who say there are no jobs, or they cannot get them.

[lostalex]

why would anyone want a job?

[Kizzy]

Lucky old you, to suggest those who cannot find work don't want to work is ridiculous though imo..
If your area of education and experience is retail for example the recession has changed the face of the high street.
Those who were managers in these fields are having to re-train in a different fields or take a large pay cut in lower paid positions.
With a morgage, kids, a car an utilities how viable is this situation?

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

why would anyone want a job?

To make money?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Lucky old you, to suggest those who cannot find work don't want to work is ridiculous though imo..
If your area of education and experience is retail for example the recession has changed the face of the high street.
Those who were managers in these fields are having to re-train in a different fields or take a large pay cut in lower paid positions.
With a morgage, kids, a car an utilities how viable is this situation?

yeah... there are no shops open anymore Kizzy,no where for consumers to buy anything anymore.. No vacancies within the retail sector at all. None. Zero. Nada... is this what you are trying to say? Perhaps Scotland has more shops that down south (though I seriously doubt it).

The retail sector is vast - huge. You do realise that shops exist out of the 'high street' only? Perhaps this is the very point: that some want only jobs 'in the high street' , right on their doorstep, all the want on my terms only or I don't want the job mentality.

People re-train if they have a want to do that - to secure other positions. In the interim: they don't shy away and keep signing on - they get off their arses, sign up with temping agencies and take work that is available - which also gives a chance for a foot in the door with various companies, as well as opportunities to experience other work sectors. It's not rocket science.

It is however, a real WANT to work - that's my opinion. I have a mortgage, a car, utilities and pets........ so it's very viable and having those responsibilities does not restrict a job hunter - if anything: I'd say that was more motivational than having your council house rent paid for you, and not having to worry about financing the upkeep of a car etc...

I did not have to retrain in a different field , nor did I have to take a pay cut. Neither did those others that I have mentioned either.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

why would anyone want a job?

It's that little thing known as self respect and not wishing to sponge off others...... to have money to do things other than sit in a house all day.

[MTVN]

Well there's about 400,000 vacancies in the UK and 2.6 million unemployed, that's 6 people for each available job.. of course you might get lucky and be able to go straight back into work, on the other hand it's entirely possible you will really struggle to find a job no matter how many applications you send off

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well there's about 400,000 vacancies in the UK and 2.6 million unemployed, that's 6 people for each available job.. of course you might get lucky and be able to go straight back into work, on the other hand it's entirely possible you will really struggle to find a job no matter how many applications you send off

by your analysis then .... after 6 applications: one should be able to secure a job.

Not that difficult as I said then.

Bearing in mind: there is a certain percentage of those 2.6 million unemployed who have the same attitude as LostAlex.... so they can be discounted as real job hunters.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

by your analysis then .... after 6 applications: one should be able to secure a job.

Not that difficult as I said then.

Bearing in mind: there is a certain percentage of those 2.6 million unemployed who have the same attitude as LostAlex.... so they can be discounted as real job hunters.

Not really

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well there's about 400,000 vacancies in the UK and 2.6 million unemployed, that's 6 people for each available job.. of course you might get lucky and be able to go straight back into work, on the other hand it's entirely possible you will really struggle to find a job no matter how many applications you send off

I'll bet though that there is a big percentage of those 2.6 million people who have absolutely no intention of ever ever looking for a job.. We've all got them hanging about our town centres with their tracksuits on and their double prams. So long as the government pays them and supplies them with a house, they will never bother to get a job...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

yeah... there are no shops open anymore Kizzy,no where for consumers to buy anything anymore.. No vacancies within the retail sector at all. None. Zero. Nada... is this what you are trying to say? Perhaps Scotland has more shops that down south (though I seriously doubt it).

The retail sector is vast - huge. You do realise that shops exist out of the 'high street' only? Perhaps this is the very point: that some want only jobs 'in the high street' , right on their doorstep, all the want on my terms only or I don't want the job mentality.

People re-train if they have a want to do that - to secure other positions. In the interim: they don't shy away and keep signing on - they get off their arses, sign up with temping agencies and take work that is available - which also gives a chance for a foot in the door with various companies, as well as opportunities to experience other work sectors. It's not rocket science.

It is however, a real WANT to work - that's my opinion. I have a mortgage, a car, utilities and pets........ so it's very viable and having those responsibilities does not restrict a job hunter - if anything: I'd say that was more motivational than having your council house rent paid for you, and not having to worry about financing the upkeep of a car etc...

I did not have to retrain in a different field , nor did I have to take a pay cut. Neither did those others that I have mentioned either.

No, it is not what I am trying to say at all. I was referring to the use of online sales via amazon and argos that has forced the closure of many retail outlets in ALL major cities.

By the 'high street' I meant in our towns and cities not in a literal sense 'on the doorstep'.

I commented that some have to re-train, I am aware that option is not 'rocket science' but to retrain in other vocations costs time and money...Where would this come from with a vastly reduced income?

Are you suggesting it is only those in social housing without a car that do not have the motivation to work?

As I said lucky old you... there are 1000's that do pyramid.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Lee.

To make money?

That's wanting money, not a job. Big difference.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

That's wanting money, not a job. Big difference.

You work though don't you? If you don't, how do you make money... if that'd not too nosey

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Lee.

You work though don't you? If you don't, how do you make money... if that'd not too nosey

I have worked in the past, sporadically. I have an anxiety disorder though, so havn't worked in a while. I'm fortunate enough to have a father that is well educated about psychiatric illness and is able to provide for me, so i don't have to rely on any kind of government support.

I know that many people don't have families that understand mental health and/or cannot provide that kind of support, so i do think that the government should provide for people like that.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not really

yes really.

As I said: 6 people for every job. Equates to one job for every 6 job hunts - and then you can minus the amount of people who simply have no desire to work.

Originally Posted by kizzy

No, it is not what I am trying to say at all. I was referring to the use of online sales via amazon and argos that has forced the closure of many retail outlets in ALL major cities.

By the 'high street' I meant in our towns and cities not in a literal sense 'on the doorstep'.

I commented that some have to re-train, I am aware that option is not 'rocket science' but to retrain in other vocations costs time and money...Where would this come from with a vastly reduced income?

Are you suggesting it is only those in social housing without a car that do not have the motivation to work?

As I said lucky old you... there are 1000's that do pyramid.

The way you put it across Kizzy, you'd think that there was no retail trade in existence anymore. I do wonder where you live that there appears to be no retailers or shops in our towns and cities.

Where do you buy your food, your groceries, your clothing, where do you pay your utlity bills, birthday gifts, christmas presents, your alcohol, your toiletries, personal items?

You appear to have some misplaced notion that online retailing means resourced without humans.... who do you think processes online orders, who receives stock in, bays in and out, does audits, picks, packs, uplifts, delivers, deals with queries, deals with damages and faulty goods, processes payments, refunds etc? Online machinery doesn't do that... humans do.

Perhaps your idea of working in the retail sector is limited to being in a customer facing role only? Very limiting I'd say.

Retraining costs time and money and you ask how that is viable? . How much time do the unemployed have on their hands .... plenty ... so that's not exactly a hardship to spend time retraining when they are not working 9 or so hours a day. thus very viable.

who says courses have to cost money - that's very much dependant on what people want to retrain in. Courses are available free of charge, even foc online.

And of course: the unemployed can be smart and 'retrain' by taking agency work in areas that they don't previously have experience in.... and they can learn new work whilst being paid for it at the same time.

It's all to do with the will to want - rather than 'expecting' it to arrive on doorsteps.

I do wonder how many temping jobs or agencies people actually signn up with - not in an attempt to pretend to be looking - but with real gusto and being prepared to take on temporary work.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

why would anyone want a job?

Originally Posted by lostalex

I have worked in the past, sporadically. I have an anxiety disorder though, so havn't worked in a while. I'm fortunate enough to have a father that is well educated about psychiatric illness and is able to provide for me, so i don't have to rely on any kind of government support.

I know that many people don't have families that understand mental health and/or cannot provide that kind of support, so i do think that the government should provide for people like that.

Regardless of your own psychiatric position: you clearly have no will or want to work as you stated in your first post - which proves my point: there are people out there such as yourself (regardless of mental capacity) who simply are happy to live off others - even if it is a family member.

Personally, I have more respect for myself (as well as others I may add) rather than expect and want them to fund my and my life..

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Regardless of your own psychiatric position: you clearly have no will or want to work as you stated in your first post - which proves my point: there are people out there such as yourself (regardless of mental capacity) who simply are happy to live off others - even if it is a family member.

Personally, I have more respect for myself (as well as others I may add) rather than expect and want them to fund my and my life..

no, I would love to work and have a CAREER and provide for myself.

Taking any old JOB that you can get, i don't think anyone wants that. Obviously everyone wants and needs money though. I was pointing out that just because you CAN get a job doesn't mean that you WANT to get a job, and just because you HAVE a JOB, doesn't mean that it's always worth it, especially since a lot of these JOBS you are talking about don't even pay a living wage or provide any kind of decent lifestyle that makes it worth the miserable work.

A lot of the JOBS you are talking about them being able to get are just JOBS, and offer no CAREER potential at all. so they are a waste of time. People don't want a JOB, they want a CAREER.