[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Lucky old you, to suggest those who cannot find work don't want to work is ridiculous though imo..
If your area of education and experience is retail for example the recession has changed the face of the high street.
Those who were managers in these fields are having to re-train in a different fields or take a large pay cut in lower paid positions.
With a morgage, kids, a car an utilities how viable is this situation?

yeah... there are no shops open anymore Kizzy,no where for consumers to buy anything anymore.. No vacancies within the retail sector at all. None. Zero. Nada... is this what you are trying to say? Perhaps Scotland has more shops that down south (though I seriously doubt it).

The retail sector is vast - huge. You do realise that shops exist out of the 'high street' only? Perhaps this is the very point: that some want only jobs 'in the high street' , right on their doorstep, all the want on my terms only or I don't want the job mentality.

People re-train if they have a want to do that - to secure other positions. In the interim: they don't shy away and keep signing on - they get off their arses, sign up with temping agencies and take work that is available - which also gives a chance for a foot in the door with various companies, as well as opportunities to experience other work sectors. It's not rocket science.

It is however, a real WANT to work - that's my opinion. I have a mortgage, a car, utilities and pets........ so it's very viable and having those responsibilities does not restrict a job hunter - if anything: I'd say that was more motivational than having your council house rent paid for you, and not having to worry about financing the upkeep of a car etc...

I did not have to retrain in a different field , nor did I have to take a pay cut. Neither did those others that I have mentioned either.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

yeah... there are no shops open anymore Kizzy,no where for consumers to buy anything anymore.. No vacancies within the retail sector at all. None. Zero. Nada... is this what you are trying to say? Perhaps Scotland has more shops that down south (though I seriously doubt it).

The retail sector is vast - huge. You do realise that shops exist out of the 'high street' only? Perhaps this is the very point: that some want only jobs 'in the high street' , right on their doorstep, all the want on my terms only or I don't want the job mentality.

People re-train if they have a want to do that - to secure other positions. In the interim: they don't shy away and keep signing on - they get off their arses, sign up with temping agencies and take work that is available - which also gives a chance for a foot in the door with various companies, as well as opportunities to experience other work sectors. It's not rocket science.

It is however, a real WANT to work - that's my opinion. I have a mortgage, a car, utilities and pets........ so it's very viable and having those responsibilities does not restrict a job hunter - if anything: I'd say that was more motivational than having your council house rent paid for you, and not having to worry about financing the upkeep of a car etc...

I did not have to retrain in a different field , nor did I have to take a pay cut. Neither did those others that I have mentioned either.

No, it is not what I am trying to say at all. I was referring to the use of online sales via amazon and argos that has forced the closure of many retail outlets in ALL major cities.

By the 'high street' I meant in our towns and cities not in a literal sense 'on the doorstep'.

I commented that some have to re-train, I am aware that option is not 'rocket science' but to retrain in other vocations costs time and money...Where would this come from with a vastly reduced income?

Are you suggesting it is only those in social housing without a car that do not have the motivation to work?

As I said lucky old you... there are 1000's that do pyramid.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not really

yes really.

As I said: 6 people for every job. Equates to one job for every 6 job hunts - and then you can minus the amount of people who simply have no desire to work.

Originally Posted by kizzy

No, it is not what I am trying to say at all. I was referring to the use of online sales via amazon and argos that has forced the closure of many retail outlets in ALL major cities.

By the 'high street' I meant in our towns and cities not in a literal sense 'on the doorstep'.

I commented that some have to re-train, I am aware that option is not 'rocket science' but to retrain in other vocations costs time and money...Where would this come from with a vastly reduced income?

Are you suggesting it is only those in social housing without a car that do not have the motivation to work?

As I said lucky old you... there are 1000's that do pyramid.

The way you put it across Kizzy, you'd think that there was no retail trade in existence anymore. I do wonder where you live that there appears to be no retailers or shops in our towns and cities.

Where do you buy your food, your groceries, your clothing, where do you pay your utlity bills, birthday gifts, christmas presents, your alcohol, your toiletries, personal items?

You appear to have some misplaced notion that online retailing means resourced without humans.... who do you think processes online orders, who receives stock in, bays in and out, does audits, picks, packs, uplifts, delivers, deals with queries, deals with damages and faulty goods, processes payments, refunds etc? Online machinery doesn't do that... humans do.

Perhaps your idea of working in the retail sector is limited to being in a customer facing role only? Very limiting I'd say.

Retraining costs time and money and you ask how that is viable? . How much time do the unemployed have on their hands .... plenty ... so that's not exactly a hardship to spend time retraining when they are not working 9 or so hours a day. thus very viable.

who says courses have to cost money - that's very much dependant on what people want to retrain in. Courses are available free of charge, even foc online.

And of course: the unemployed can be smart and 'retrain' by taking agency work in areas that they don't previously have experience in.... and they can learn new work whilst being paid for it at the same time.

It's all to do with the will to want - rather than 'expecting' it to arrive on doorsteps.

I do wonder how many temping jobs or agencies people actually signn up with - not in an attempt to pretend to be looking - but with real gusto and being prepared to take on temporary work.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

yes really.

As I said: 6 people for every job. Equates to one job for every 6 job hunts - and then you can minus the amount of people who simply have no desire to work.



The way you put it across Kizzy, you'd think that there was no retail trade in existence anymore. I do wonder where you live that there appears to be no retailers or shops in our towns and cities.

Where do you buy your food, your groceries, your clothing, where do you pay your utlity bills, birthday gifts, christmas presents, your alcohol, your toiletries, personal items?

You appear to have some misplaced notion that online retailing means resourced without humans.... who do you think processes online orders, who receives stock in, bays in and out, does audits, picks, packs, uplifts, delivers, deals with queries, deals with damages and faulty goods, processes payments, refunds etc? Online machinery doesn't do that... humans do.

Perhaps your idea of working in the retail sector is limited to being in a customer facing role only? Very limiting I'd say.

Retraining costs time and money and you ask how that is viable? . How much time do the unemployed have on their hands .... plenty ... so that's not exactly a hardship to spend time retraining when they are not working 9 or so hours a day. thus very viable.

who says courses have to cost money - that's very much dependant on what people want to retrain in. Courses are available free of charge, even foc online.

And of course: the unemployed can be smart and 'retrain' by taking agency work in areas that they don't previously have experience in.... and they can learn new work whilst being paid for it at the same time.

It's all to do with the will to want - rather than 'expecting' it to arrive on doorsteps.

I do wonder how many temping jobs or agencies people actually signn up with - not in an attempt to pretend to be looking - but with real gusto and being prepared to take on temporary work.

There is obviously, I meant that there are other means to access goods and services now is all..

Online....

Call centers and warehouse staff to replace a skilled retail sector eh?..great

Seeing as we are discussing the 'high street' I would say that includes customer facing roles yes.

childcare and travel costs? time is not the only constraint.

Is childcare while you are unemployed to attend these courses also free?

Work for your benefits?...Makes you wonder how there are any jobs doesen't it...if you have the unemployed taking the positions of people who REALLY want to work

Where do you get the notion that those who are not in work DON'T want to work?...I cannot understand your thinking here pyra honestly.