[Indy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Hes confronted Dexter on several occasions. FACT.

No long post needed, just one simple sentence to disprove your chapters worth of bum licking.

Chapters worth or bum licking? Disagreeing with you about a housemate is now bum licking? Whatever lets you sleep at night, sweetie.

Here are the "facts" for you:

Sam has confronted Dexter twice - once after watching his video, once after being confronted for walking away after hurling an insult. The first time he backtracked, the second time, he couldn't wait to get out of the room.

Aside from that, he's spent plenty of time talking about others behind their backs, primarily to Callum, but not to their faces.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Indy

Chapters worth or bum licking? Disagreeing with you about a housemate is now bum licking? Whatever lets you sleep at night, sweetie.

Here are the "facts" for you:

Sam has confronted Dexter twice - once after watching his video, once after being confronted for walking away after hurling an insult. The first time he backtracked, the second time, he couldn't wait to get out of the room.

Aside from that, he's spent plenty of time talking about others behind their backs, primarily to Callum, but not to their faces.

No but you saying this was the only time Sam has ever stood up to someone was a flat out lie and now you are saying it was twice so I can see no other reason for you to make things up unless franticly trying to save your favs rep.

He also confronted Dexter over Callum, He f2f nommed him and called him a game player and afterwards when Dexter tried to kiss arse Sam told him exactly what he thought.

So no your post is not "fact"!....At all.

[Indy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

No but you saying this was the only time Sam has ever stood up to someone was a flat out lie and now you are saying it was twice so I can see no other reason for you to make things up unless franticly trying to save your favs rep.

He also confronted Dexter over Callum, He f2f nommed him and called him a game player and afterwards when Dexter tried to kiss arse Sam told him exactly what he thought.

So no your post is not "fact"!....At all.

No, I concede the post-video confrontation to you, as you see it as him standing up, while not acknowledging that he backed down and admitted he was wrong. In the most pedantic sense, yes, there were two "confrontations", but the first one resulted in him admitting he was in the wrong, so not exactly an example of him standing up and showing what's what.

To then extrapolate that into me inventing things that aren't true, why is the onus on me to disprove all these amazing examples you insist exist, yet you can't seem to provide them. So again, after telling others in the house that Hazel was being horrible, and us watching him say it on screen, and watching Dan repeat it to her in the treehouse, when did Sam say it to her face?

After watching Sam on several occasions through the evening tell Callum that Charlie was trouble and that he should give her the silent treatment, then the night of the Charlie vs Hazel argument, contribute to the group (while Charlie was in the bedroom) that her boos from the crowd must be evidence that she's being sly, when did Sam say it to her face?

If the point here is that Sam is the honorable, straightforward guy who says it like it is, why aren't there dozens of youtube clips being posted to demonstrate it?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Indy

No, I concede the post-video confrontation to you, as you see it as him standing up, while not acknowledging that he backed down and admitted he was wrong. In the most pedantic sense, yes, there were two "confrontations", but the first one resulted in him admitting he was in the wrong, so not exactly an example of him standing up and showing what's what.

To then extrapolate that into me inventing things that aren't true, why is the onus on me to disprove all these amazing examples you insist exist, yet you can't seem to provide them. So again, after telling others in the house that Hazel was being horrible, and us watching him say it on screen, and watching Dan repeat it to her in the treehouse, when did Sam say it to her face?

After watching Sam on several occasions through the evening tell Callum that Charlie was trouble and that he should give her the silent treatment, then the night of the Charlie vs Hazel argument, contribute to the group (while Charlie was in the bedroom) that her boos from the crowd must be evidence that she's being sly, when did Sam say it to her face?

If the point here is that Sam is the honorable, straightforward guy who says it like it is, why aren't there dozens of youtube clips being posted to demonstrate it?

I have given you examples of when Sam has stood up to Dexter which is who we are talking about btw so lets not bring any other housemate into it to try and prove your point.

Long posts and over educated wording does not make your post fact.

Do you honestly not remember Sam telling Dexter he was rude because he ignores him?

Did you not hear Sam calling Dexter a gameplayer in face to face noms?

Did you not see him telling Dexter he was in his words "out of order" for saying certain things to Callum?

Honestly a goldfish has a better memory.

The fact is Dexter got owned by Sam time and time again.

Sam says it basic and to the point whilst Dexter covers everything up with "im man enough to admit that, I respect your opinion....."..blah blah blah.

[Indy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

I have given you examples of when Sam has stood up to Dexter which is who we are talking about btw so lets not bring any other housemate into it to try and prove you point.

Long posts and over educated wording does not make your post fact.

Do you honestly not remember Sam telling Dexter he was rude because he ignores him?

Did you not hear Sam calling Dexter a gameplayer in face to face noms?

Did you not see him telling Dexter he was in his words "out of order" for saying certain things to Callum?

Honestly a goldfish has a better memory.

The fact is Dexter got owned by Sam time and time again.

Sam says it basic and to the point whilst Dexter covers everything up with "im man enough to admit that, I respect your opinion....."..blah blah blah.

I remember Sam's nomination being shown the the house, Sam looking like he crapped his pants, and Dexter asking him to explain it. I also heard everyone say negative things about others in f2f noms, so why would that make Sam so special? I saw Dexter try to explain a conversation Sam misheard, and Sam refuse to listen and keep banging on about something that had happened hours earlier, shortly after Sam left the room, obsessing over a horrible homosexual rape joke Callum made, and taking it as a sincere quote of Dexter.

I do find it interesting that instead of making your case, you resort to constant personal attacks against me. I'm a liar, I have a goldfish memory, I'm a bum licker. But, you still haven't provided any examples of Sam, on his own, without being shamed or forced into it, confronting anyone about behavior he does not like and demonstrating that he was the bigger man for doing so.

As I said, if there are all these examples of Sam spontaneously doing the right thing for the right reasons, surely there are clips to back them up?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Indy

I remember Sam's nomination being shown the the house, Sam looking like he crapped his pants, and Dexter asking him to explain it. I also heard everyone say negative things about others in f2f noms, so why would that make Sam so special? I saw Dexter try to explain a conversation Sam misheard, and Sam refuse to listen and keep banging on about something that had happened hours earlier, shortly after Sam left the room, obsessing over a horrible homosexual rape joke Callum made, and taking it as a sincere quote of Dexter.

I do find it interesting that instead of making your case, you resort to constant personal attacks against me. I'm a liar, I have a goldfish memory, I'm a bum licker. But, you still haven't provided any examples of Sam, on his own, without being shamed or forced into it, confronting anyone about behavior he does not like and demonstrating that he was the bigger man for doing so.

As I said, if there are all these examples of Sam spontaneously doing the right thing for the right reasons, surely there are clips to back them up?

Noone is saying Sam is special where are you getting this from?

The fact is that video and every other heated exchange Sam has had with Dexter Sam allways comes across as the one with balls and Dexter the one who rambles, digs a grave and backtracks.

I have provided examples where he stood up for himself and approached people on his own multiple times now so cant be arsed to respond anymore.

[lippyzippy]

Originally Posted by Indy

Chapters worth or bum licking? Disagreeing with you about a housemate is now bum licking? Whatever lets you sleep at night, sweetie.

Here are the "facts" for you:

Sam has confronted Dexter twice - once after watching his video, once after being confronted for walking away after hurling an insult. The first time he backtracked, the second time, he couldn't wait to get out of the room.

Aside from that, he's spent plenty of time talking about others behind their backs, primarily to Callum, but not to their faces.

that is untrue

he confronted him on the couch telling him he ignores him he walks through doors in front of people and is generally rude

he confronted him when he caught dexter telling porky pies, he told him straight , dexter rambled in clichés but had no defence as he hadn't told the truth in the first place

then this confrontation, yet again sam destroyed him within 2 minutes, why? simply because yet again he had the moral high ground.....dexter will never again find his way to such a lofty podium.

trust and respect is earned not give. sam has earned it, dexter hasn't. though I still think dexter is terrific and has genuinely grown as a person and been a great HM great entertainment and a good laugh