[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

But saying it could be changable is saying that there is something wrong with being gay, as if it is an ailment that needs fixing! That is what is so very very wrong!



Chuff with deepest respect, that is absolute nonsense...

I know people who have married, had children ,then they are gay ,not everyone is born gay

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I know people who have married, had children ,then they are gay ,not everyone is born gay

That doesn't mean they weren't always gay though. Alot of people felt like they had to pretend they were straight so people would think they were normal and so they weren't disappointing/embarrassing their families. Just because a person is gay or straight doesn't mean they can't have gay or straight sex.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That doesn't mean they weren't always gay though. Alot of people felt like they had to pretend they were straight so people would think they were normal and so they weren't disappointing/embarrassing their families. Just because a person is gay or straight doesn't mean they can't have gay or straight sex.

i doubt we will ever know ,i cannot talk for every hetrosexual in the world, any more than any gay person can speak for the gays of the world, I was just talking of things i knew about

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

i doubt we will ever know ,i cannot talk for every hetrosexual in the world, any more than any gay person can speak for the gays of the world, I was just talking of things i knew about

That's true but did that person actually say, I used to be straight but then I decided to turn gay?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's true but did that person actually say, I used to be straight but then I decided to turn gay?

I wasnt talking of one person individually ,as i said last night i know of 4 men 3 got married, but they all had children ,and not just one child in one case ,he had 4 ,he must have been slow at making his mind up

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's true but did that person actually say, I used to be straight but then I decided to turn gay?

Niamh, I have known a couple of women who did exactly that after damaging heterosexual relationships.

The whole thing is massively complex and cannot be generalised at all imo.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Niamh, I have known a couple of women who did exactly that after damaging heterosexual relationships.

The whole thing is massively complex and cannot be generalised at all imo.

Thats just what I was trying to get across

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Niamh, I have known a couple of women who did exactly that after damaging heterosexual relationships.

The whole thing is massively complex and cannot be generalised at all imo.

They must have had atleast bisexual tendencies beforehand though, surely? I mean if I was that damaged by a man, I'd go celibate rather than sleep with a woman tbh

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They must have had atleast bisexual tendencies beforehand though, surely? I mean if I was that damaged by a man, I'd go celibate rather than sleep with a woman tbh

Yes me too,but not everyones the same

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They must have had atleast bisexual tendencies beforehand though, surely? I mean if I was that damaged by a man, I'd go celibate rather than sleep with a woman tbh

I guess it depends on how you get your comfort...for some people it's close physical contact, hugging, the knowledge that someone will be there for them....sex is just a natural progression from feelings of love and security? Going celibate also implies a life lived in coldness tbh, most people need someone to share their lives with, showing physical appreciation isn't such a bad thing.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I know people who have married, had children ,then they are gay ,not everyone is born gay

Oh my god how old are you?!

That's not them suddenly turning gay that's them living in denial for years because they don't want to be gay.

Anyway to all those who said he didn't compare gay people to being handicapped then this video of the whole convo will shut you up.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/01/05/evande...#ixzz2pdNBbuPY

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Oh my god how old are you?!

That's not them suddenly turning gay that's them living in denial for years because they don't want to be gay.

Anyway to all those who said he didn't compare gay people to being handicapped then this video of the whole convo will shut you up.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/01/05/evande...#ixzz2pdNBbuPY

Just putting the question out there, Daniel - how can you know for sure that there are not people out there who DO change their minds about their sexuality later in life? Just because you have pretty much always known, doesn't make someone else's experience different.

[Jezzy]

I' sure it's both weird and difficult. But I'm sure at the same time that through someone's sexual development, they may choose to recognise theselves as gay / het / bi. My best friend is bi, we talk about it a lot, and for her it's about the person rather than anything else...I think attitudes and sexuality can both be fluid things.

I've slept with girls, I'm pretty sure I'm het but at the same time, sometimes there's just something there you go for. I wouldn't even call myself bi. I'm just me.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

I' sure it's both weird and difficult. But I'm sure at the same time that through someone's sexual development, they may choose to recognise theselves as gay / het / bi. My best friend is bi, we talk about it a lot, and for her it's about the person rather than anything else...I think attitudes and sexuality can both be fluid things.

I've slept with girls, I'm pretty sure I'm het but at the same time, sometimes there's just something there you go for. I wouldn't even call myself bi. I'm just me.

Ok then.....You slept with the same sex.

Evander Holyfield says that's wrong.

Whats your response?

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Ok then.....You slept with the same sex.

Evander Holyfield says that's wrong.

Whats your response?

My response is that Evander Holyfield has an unenlightened view. It makes him wrong in the eyes of the majority of society.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

My response is that Evander Holyfield has an unenlightened view. It makes him wrong in the eyes of the majority of society.

Agreed.

Trust me though try holding hands with another man walking down the high street and not get stared at.

Its still there and it pisses me off so when Evander calls it wrong its just the worst possible thing he could say.

Like a parent would say *Im not angry im just disappointed HAHA

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Oh my god how old are you?!

That's not them suddenly turning gay that's them living in denial for years because they don't want to be gay.

Anyway to all those who said he didn't compare gay people to being handicapped then this video of the whole convo will shut you up.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/01/05/evande...#ixzz2pdNBbuPY

You dont know that ,you cannot speak for every gay person as much as I cannot speak for all straight people, I am giving you facts of people i know

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

You dont know that ,you cannot speak for every gay person as much as I cannot speak for all straight people, I am giving you facts of people i know

I suggest you ask them then Chuff. Ask if they married for fear of being found out as gay, or if they suddenly had the urge one day for a gobble on a sausage...

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I know people who have married, had children ,then they are gay ,not everyone is born gay

Chuff this is something that happened a lot quite a few years back, when being gay was not only not accepted by most of society but gay sex was illegal. It is not surprising that so many men married & even had children even though they were gay, they were simply living a lie. They did not suddenly wake up one morning & either decide they wanted to be gay or suddenly had an urge for cock!

People ARE born gay, it is not a choice. Did you choose to be straight? Could you decide tomorrow that you fancy a bit of muff Chuff?!?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Chuff this is something that happened a lot quite a few years back, when being gay was not only not accepted by most of society but gay sex was illegal. It is not surprising that so many men married & even had children even though they were gay, they were simply living a lie. They did not suddenly wake up one morning & either decide they wanted to be gay or suddenly had an urge for cock!

People ARE born gay, it is not a choice. Did you choose to be straight? Could you decide tomorrow that you fancy a bit of muff Chuff?!?

Thanks for the offer Galah ,Im flattered but no thanks