[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jamesy

But you said earlier though you never chose to be gay. Implying that sexuality is not a choice. Which is is entirely a choice for many people.

Obviously I cannot make too strong of a judgement as I know nothing about you. But you seem to be contradicting your previous comments.

Either way. Sexuality is complex. There is no simple answer to it and it is different for every individual.

hes contradicted himself all over the place. sexuality is very very complex and its not as black and white as the politically correct thought police are demanding it to be seen as.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

It is when you choose to ignore it.

Anyway you just dodged my question so obviously you cannot give an opinion if you have never experienced it.

Its like me reviewing a song without ever even hearing it.

I just dont get the "poor me" image you want to portray

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by the truth

she asked him but immediately interrupted him by saying out of the blue all the right cliches, its great to be gay etc she wwas clearly trying to provoke him and provoke a reaction. she also didnt allow him to explain himself properly. shes far more educated and knows big brother and PC britian inside out. she knew he was naive uneducated ineloquent and in a totlaly alien environment. so set him up for the fall, easily done. funny she doesnt ask him about his charity work or the foundations hes set up for disadvantaged kids? funny how she ignored him when he was discussing his career etc
shes toxic and will prove to be so over the next few weeks.....obviosuly she had no idea such a topic could become controversial? no never. shes not very bright is she?

How do you know she doesn't? do you have 24/7 live feed?
Yet again all she did was ask a question.
You need too stop with your misagynistic views.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by the truth

and you dont know the billions of people youre stereotyping

You told me I wasn't Christian lol. That's totally pathetic.

You have turned this thread into a total farce yet again throwing insults at forum members.

I am not a bigot I was siding with him when I said he was brought up in a very religious environment and that's effected his views on homosexuals. I did not call all Christians brainwashed bur religion can do that to a person and America is a very religious country. Its even illegal to be gay in some parts there still.

You can also choose to change your religion like for instance joining scientology or turning to choosing to join the muslim community which a lot of people do.

Some people can be brainwashed, we see it all the time Look at people who are brainwashed by the Taliban.

Just please tell me though how you know that I am not a Christian lol what a stupid thing to say.

Anyway what he said was homophobic that's fact, he has a right to his opinion and I respect that but what he said did offend me and I don't get offended often especially by a tv show.

I am not a prejudiced person which is a person that is racist,, sexist, homophobic, Hetrophobic, chauvinist, or an anti-Semite: Evander falls into that category im afraid. I am none of those things.

Can someone please post the transcript to prove the things hes said and get this over with.

[chuff me dizzy]

[QUOTE=daniel-lewis-1985;6591664]You told me I wasn't Christian lol. That's totally pathetic.

You have turned this thread into a total farce yet again throwing insults at forum members.

I am not a bigot I was siding with him when I said he was brought up in a very religious environment and that's effected his views on homosexuals. I did not call all Christians brainwashed bur religion can do that to a person and America is a very religious country. Its even illegal to be gay in some parts there still.

You can also choose to change your religion like for instance joining scientology or turning to choosing to join the muslim community which a lot of people do.

Some people can be brainwashed, we see it all the time Look at people who are brainwashed by the Taliban.

Just please tell me though how you know that I am not a Christian lol what a stupid thing to say.

Anyway what he said was homophobic that's fact, he has a right to his opinion and I respect that but what he said did offend me and I don't get offended often especially by a tv show.

Can someone please post the transcript to prove the things hes said and get this over with.[/QUOTE]

Daniel ,you opened this thread, but now you dont want people to voice their opinions ?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

You told me I wasn't Christian lol. That's totally pathetic.

You have turned this thread into a total farce yet again throwing insults at forum members.

I am not a bigot I was siding with him when I said he was brought up in a very religious environment and that's effected his views on homosexuals. I did not call all Christians brainwashed bur religion can do that to a person and America is a very religious country. Its even illegal to be gay in some parts there still.

You can also choose to change your religion like for instance joining scientology or turning to choosing to join the muslim community which a lot of people do.

Some people can be brainwashed, we see it all the time Look at people who are brainwashed by the Taliban.

Just please tell me though how you know that I am not a Christian lol what a stupid thing to say.

Anyway what he said was homophobic that's fact, he has a right to his opinion and I respect that but what he said did offend me and I don't get offended often especially by a tv show.

I am not a prejudiced person which is a person that is racist,, sexist, homophobic, Hetrophobic, chauvinist, or an anti-Semite: Evander falls into that category im afraid. I am none of those things.

Can someone please post the transcript to prove the things hes said and get this over with.

It will never be over until you accept youre worng to label all Christians and all gay people exactly the same. that is stereotyping discrimination for which you wrongly accuse others of. its insane hypocrisy

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

Evander was very lucky he was talking too Luisa & no one else, anyone else would have wanted too know more of what Evander had too say, or argued causing him too spill more homophobic views that would have ruined his reputation. Instead Luisa just wanted too end the conversation & stop him from digging his own grave, if she had been staring at the camera's & wanting attention as you say, she would have argued against Evander forcefully showing the public, but instead she ended the conversation.

Truely a great girl, my opinion of her has risen massively

.

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

This has already been said to them a million times all they can reply is "you can't speak for every gay person" or you're being heterophobic. It's not even worth bothering.

This is the problem with this debate,it's "us" and "them",no middle ground at all!?! You're for us,or against us!! I agree with freedom of speech,but I am totally against homophobia,so I'm stuck in the middle. I then have to consider what was said,the context in which it was said,and whether it was intended to offend!?! Oh if only everything was black and white,not in a racist way??

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by the truth

so no one is allowed an opinion on anything unless they do it themselves? so football fans cant discuss football? the public cant discuss politics? only news readers can discuss the news? funny how you dont want to be judged yet you judge other people whos lives you know almost nothing of, nor have you walked in their shoes....you even stereotype fellow Christiana and gay people which is what youre meant to be preaching agsint...utter hypocritical nonsense

I didn't say that though did I. Why are so so extreme and twist people posts?

The public can discus ANYTHING but their opinion but if they are talking about something they have no knowledge of then their opinion is just void.

Oh and Football fans can obviously discuss it if they are fans lol im sorry I didn't know people were born football fans.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Seanbon

This is the problem with this debate,it's "us" and "them",no middle ground at all!?! You're for us,or against us!! I agree with freedom of speech,but I am totally against homophobia,so I'm stuck in the middle. I then have to consider what was said,the context in which it was said,and whether it was intended to offend!?! Oh if only everything was black and white,not in a racist way??

are you also against discrimination against religious people and hetrosexual men? or do you just pick and choose what disrimination youre opposed to depending on your own agenda?

[anne666]

I wouldn't have expected anything else to come from his mouth on this subject. Ignorant, on so many levels and homophobic claptrap.
He's a product of his environment and not very bright. He's been raised and carried on following fundamentalist Bible terrorists and handed over a lot of cash for that privilege I presume. Ignore and carry on.........

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

I didn't say that though did I. Why are so so extreme and twist people posts?

The public can discus ANYTHING but their opinion but if they are talking about something they have no knowledge of then their opinion is just void.

Oh and Football fans can obviously discuss it if they are fans lol im sorry I didn't know people were born football fans.

goodness me youre tlaking out of your hat and embarassing yourself now. lol
so no one can discuss or form opinions on anything unless they do it themselves lol I guess the local firemen have to burn their houses down before joining the brigade...cops must take heroin before investigating drug ushers...detectives must commit murder mefore investigating it? lol Im embarassed for you. no wonder you choose to stereotype the whole world of Christians and homosexuals, your world view is the most narrow thing ive ever heard

[the truth]

Originally Posted by anne666

I wouldn't have expected anything else to come from his mouth on this subject. Ignorant homophobic claptrap.
He's a product of his environment and not very bright. He's been raised and carried on following fundamentalist Bible terrorists and handed over a lot of cash for that privilege I presume. Ignore and carry on.........

thats a bigoted post trying to label millions of Christians as terrorists....total hypocrisy as you preach against discrimination and stereotyping groups of people

[daniel-lewis-1985]

[/QUOTE]Daniel ,you opened this thread, but now you dont want people to voice their opinions ?[/QUOTE]

I opened the thread to discuss the actual issue of what Evander had said in the house. My op was very un biased and then as usual certain forum members come in, throw insults and twist words.

Its just annoying that they cant act like adults.

[the truth]

[QUOTE=daniel-lewis-1985;6591709]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I opened the thread to discuss the actual issue of what Evander had said in the house. My op as very 2 sided and then as usual certain forum members come in, throw insults and twist words.

Its just annoying that they cant act like adults.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by the truth

thats a bigoted post trying to label millions of Christians as terrorists....total hypocrisy as you preach against discrimination and stereotyping groups of people

I am never interested in anything you have to say. Learn to read and comprehend before attacking me with such exaggerated nonsense to suit your own agenda as usual.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Seanbon

This is the problem with this debate,it's "us" and "them",no middle ground at all!?! You're for us,or against us!! I agree with freedom of speech,but I am totally against homophobia,so I'm stuck in the middle. I then have to consider what was said,the context in which it was said,and whether it was intended to offend!?! Oh if only everything was black and white,not in a racist way??

But im not saying its us or them. I have said I agreed he should have a right to freedom of speech and I was interested in the conversation.

But I do think his comments were homophobic.

That's my opinion.

[MTVN]

He was a bit of a nob with it, fair enough if that's his view (even though it's pretty dumb) but Luisa realised early on that the conversation was going down a bit of a dodgy path and he kept forcing it even though she could see it wasn't a very appropriate thing for them to discuss, partly because of how wildly different their views were and partly because of it airing out to millions of people who were bound to find it offensive

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by the truth

are you also against discrimination against religious people and hetrosexual men? or do you just pick and choose what disrimination youre opposed to depending on your own agenda?

I'm against ALL discrimination,and I have no agenda!! This debate is about freedom of speech and homophobia?!?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by the truth

It will never be over until you accept youre worng to label all Christians and all gay people exactly the same. that is stereotyping discrimination for which you wrongly accuse others of. its insane hypocrisy

Trust me all gay people are not the same lol im talking about being gay though.

Also I am not accusing the entire Christian community as all the same lol I AM CHRISTIAN!!!

You are not reading my posts as you are responding way to quickly, you are glancing through, picking out certain things then twisting them.

Stop trolling and stop calling me a bigot.

I have shown that I believe he has a right to air his opinion and looked at it from both sides. You have obviously misread my OP.

Please go back and look at it again as its very unbiased and this thread was started that way until the insults started to get thrown again.

Same old, same old.

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

But im not saying its us or them. I have said I agreed he should have a right to freedom of speech and I was interested in the conversation.

But I do think his comments were homophobic.

That's my opinion.

That's fine! I was replying to a post by Jordan who came up with no point talking to "them"!?!

[Benjamin]

I stand by my point that I find his comment narrow minded, not homophobic.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by the truth

and I think your comments are bigotted , thats my opinion.

Yet another personal attack.

Just calm down you have serious aggression.

[Jezzy]

Labels, labels. Society loves them yet human beings are so much more complex than the narrow viewpoint that any label implies. Define a Christian. Define a homosexual. Yes, you can at a basic level by what those words represent, but people are individuals with their own beliefs.

What we need is not political correctness, not the forcing of views on others, it's tolerance. Learn to tolerate other people's differences whether or not you agree with them. Learn to accept there ARE differences. Realise that morality is controlled by society.

The world is already becoming too homogenised. Voltaire said it best 300 years ago:

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

Freedom of speech and thought applies to both sides of an argument and encompasses all viewpoints. Having said that, it was naive of Evander to air his beliefs on TV. It's a very tricky subject which has not been resolved in the whole of human history and I doubt it ever will be.

Hugs to Livia and Chuff

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Who's to say he is wrong though?If being gay is not a choice then who's to say that in the future it may not be changable if it's hormonal or psychological or both?His wording was clumsy comparing it to being handicapped as some people may be offended but people get offended by alot of different things.He offered his opinion on the subject,It's our choice to agree or disagree with it.

But saying it could be changable is saying that there is something wrong with being gay, as if it is an ailment that needs fixing! That is what is so very very wrong!

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

As i pointed out last night ,sometimes being gay is a choice

Chuff with deepest respect, that is absolute nonsense...