[lostalex]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Have to largely agree with this. Having some experience in the general arena, a european defense force is just too impractical. It may be something that can be worked toward as/if european integration continues, but I don't see the UK ceding to europe for defence for a long long time.

Nato was designed to provide some collective defense and its worked effectively until now. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

so if you think an EU def3e4nce force is impraticcal, what is thje alternative? just relying on the US???

wake up!

what happens if the US decides NATO is a waste tomorrow, what would you suggest? i bet you'd be calling for an EU defense/military then.

NATO is making Europe lazy and cheap. time for a wake up caLL. the US should cut funding to NATO until Europe steps up and starts pulling it's OWN weight. The US is being made a fool of by doing all the important stuff for the security of people on the other side of the planet. Europeans clearly think we are idiots. why should they do it when they can just use US to do it.

Europe is making Americans look like stupid fools, they are just using us for their security without having to pay the bill.

It's time for Europe to MAN THE **** UP.