[bots]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Because we are empowering them to do so by our impotency, our weakness, and our totally insane P.C. driven archaic sense of 'fair play' and decency.

We need leaders with testicles, who will sanction our troops, our security services, our police, to do whatever is necessary to eradicate these mental, murdering demons. We need leaders who will put our interests first, our freedoms first, and our safety first, and if the actions necessary to achieve this is seen by some to be racist, xenophobic or against 'civil liberties' then feck them, let them think what they want.

There is no short fix to this. To fight them on an equal footing, we would need to waive away our rights to freedom and free speech and become as bad as them. It is for these reasons that I agree with the west's response to their atrocities. This is going to take several generations to resolve so we need to get used to it I'm sorry to say.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There is no short fix to this. To fight them on an equal footing, we would need to waive away our rights to freedom and free speech and become as bad as them. It is for these reasons that I agree with the west's response to their atrocities. This is going to take several generations to resolve so we need to get used to it I'm sorry to say.

I don't see how we would need to waive any of our rights to freedom and free speech Bitonthe side? We are already waiving away those rights daily by allowing these bastards to intimidate us and stop Nativity plays in our Christian schools, stop the wearing of crucifixes around the necks of our nurses, and a host of other 'forced' changes to our Western democratic way of life, and we are already allowing them to intimidate us and curb our rights to free speech because we dare not speak any truths if it is a truth about Muslims, immigrants or foreigners in general.

It is time to stop ALL immigration but especially of Muslims - be they Black, Brown, Asian or Eastern Europeans, and feck the EU - what are they going to do, slap us?

Time is NOT on our side and we have NOT got several generations. By that time we will all definitely be under Sharia law or dead.

Lebanon was a Westernised Christian democracy, and it became Islamified in less than half a generation.

When germs enter our bodies through our skin, the body's defence mechanicism kicks into action; the wound is sealed off to stop further infestation, and the little white soldiers which are our antibodies swoop on the invaders and kick the feck out of them to protect our bodies.

We should learn from nature - seal off our borders and stop letting the bastards in, thereby making it easier for our Security Services to deal with the millions already here.

We should also learn from current affairs because the atrocities in Holland, Australia and Paris weren't committed by an invading army, but by fecking IMMIGRANTS which those countries had welcomed and embraced and and allowed to live there. FFS even Jihadi John hails from the UK.

It's time now for the UK people to take to the streets, shout from the rooftops and go on strike if need be to FORCE our weak leaders to CLOSE our borders and stand up to the bastards who are already here. It's time to Stop appeasing them and start INVESTIGATING them. Sniff out the 5th columnists and sympathisers and BOOT the ***** out. Feck Brussels.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I don't see how we would need to waive any of our rights to freedom and free speech Bitonthe side? We are already waiving away those rights daily by allowing these bastards to intimidate us and stop Nativity plays in our Christian schools, stop the wearing of crucifixes around the necks of our nurses, and a host of other 'forced' changes to our Western democratic way of life, and we are already allowing them to intimidate us and curb our rights to free speech because we dare not speak any truths if it is a truth about Muslims, immigrants or foreigners in general.

It is time to stop ALL immigration but especially of Muslims - be they Black, Brown, Asian or Eastern Europeans, and feck the EU - what are they going to do, slap us?

Time is NOT on our side and we have NOT got several generations. By that time we will all definitely be under Sharia law or dead.

Lebanon was a Westernised Christian democracy, and it became Islamified in less than half a generation.

When germs enter our bodies through our skin, the body's defence mechanicism kicks into action; the wound is sealed off to stop further infestation, and the little white soldiers which are our antibodies swoop on the invaders and kick the feck out of them to protect our bodies.

We should learn from nature - seal off our borders and stop letting the bastards in, thereby making it easier for our Security Services to deal with the millions already here.

We should also learn from current affairs because the atrocities in Holland, Australia and Paris weren't committed by an invading army, but by fecking IMMIGRANTS which those countries had welcomed and embraced and and allowed to live there. FFS even Jihadi John hails from the UK.

It's time now for the UK people to take to the streets, shout from the rooftops and go on strike if need be to FORCE our weak leaders to CLOSE our borders and stand up to the bastards who are already here. It's time to Stop appeasing them and start INVESTIGATING them. Sniff out the 5th columnists and sympathisers and BOOT the ***** out. Feck Brussels.

Sorry but this post makes me very uncomfortable. I am a white Briton of Christian descent but I see neither Islam nor immigrants as my enemy. And I'll pass on your street marches thanks.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Sorry but this post makes me very uncomfortable. I am a white Briton of Christian descent but I see neither Islam nor immigrants as my enemy. And I'll pass on your street marches thanks.

Of course MTVN - that's your prerogative. We don't agree on this subject anyway. Better to leave street protests and violence to Muslim extremists eh?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Sorry but this post makes me very uncomfortable. I am a white Briton of Christian descent but I see neither Islam nor immigrants as my enemy. And I'll pass on your street marches thanks.

not as uncomfortable as being assassinated for drawing cartoons?

[billy123]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I don't see how we would need to waive any of our rights to freedom and free speech Bitonthe side? We are already waiving away those rights daily by allowing these bastards to intimidate us and stop Nativity plays in our Christian schools, stop the wearing of crucifixes around the necks of our nurses, and a host of other 'forced' changes to our Western democratic way of life, and we are already allowing them to intimidate us and curb our rights to free speech because we dare not speak any truths if it is a truth about Muslims, immigrants or foreigners in general.

It is time to stop ALL immigration but especially of Muslims - be they Black, Brown, Asian or Eastern Europeans, and feck the EU - what are they going to do, slap us?

Time is NOT on our side and we have NOT got several generations. By that time we will all definitely be under Sharia law or dead.

Lebanon was a Westernised Christian democracy, and it became Islamified in less than half a generation.

When germs enter our bodies through our skin, the body's defence mechanicism kicks into action; the wound is sealed off to stop further infestation, and the little white soldiers which are our antibodies swoop on the invaders and kick the feck out of them to protect our bodies.

We should learn from nature - seal off our borders and stop letting the bastards in, thereby making it easier for our Security Services to deal with the millions already here.

We should also learn from current affairs because the atrocities in Holland, Australia and Paris weren't committed by an invading army, but by fecking IMMIGRANTS which those countries had welcomed and embraced and and allowed to live there. FFS even Jihadi John hails from the UK.

It's time now for the UK people to take to the streets, shout from the rooftops and go on strike if need be to FORCE our weak leaders to CLOSE our borders and stand up to the bastards who are already here. It's time to Stop appeasing them and start INVESTIGATING them. Sniff out the 5th columnists and sympathisers and BOOT the ***** out. Feck Brussels.

Possibly the most small minded and bigoted crap post i have ever read on here and that takes some doing. I have many friends of all religions and origins and some of them shock and horror are also people that have immigrated here and have just as much right to be here as you do.
Twice in my life i have had had to be evacuated due to bombs placed by Christian extremist groups and once been within earshot of a huge bomb detonated by Christians should i hate them? should i tar them all with the same brush?
No because that would be idiotic.
Get a sense of perspective ffs and stop reading too much right wing propaganda it's rotting your brain.
The amount of religious intolerance you display is so hypocritical coming from someone that claims to be a Christian and yet takes a piss fit whenever anyone sniggers at people that believe in a god.
Your post is offensive and discriminatory to almost a quarter of the people on the planet and is uneducated reactionary bollocks based on the actions of 3 lunatics.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Possibly the most small minded and bigoted crap post i have ever read on here and that takes some doing. I have many friends of all religions and origins and some of them shock and horror are also people that have immigrated here and have just as much right to be here as you do.
Twice in my life i have had had to be evacuated due to bombs placed by Christian extremist groups and once been within earshot of a huge bomb detonated by Christians should i hate them? should i tar them all with the same brush?
No because that would be idiotic.
Get a sense of perspective ffs and stop reading too much right wing propaganda it's rotting your brain.
The amount of religious intolerance you display is so hypocritical coming from someone that claims to be a Christian and yet takes a piss fit whenever anyone sniggers at people that believe in a god.
Your post is offensive and discriminatory to almost a quarter of the people on the planet and is uneducated reactionary bollocks based on the actions of 3 lunatics.

I find your post bigoted and highly offensive, and it's a pity that this latest in a long line of atrocities did not move you so readily to condemn it on here with the same anger and passion that my post has invoked in you.

I notice also your reluctance to ascribe any terrorist murderers as Islamist or Muslim, as in; "3 lunatics".

Before you start criticising what I contend and before you start making personal attacks on me - get your facts straight.

Where have I had a "a piss fit whenever anyone sniggers at people that believe in a god."?

Are you referring to the times when I have responded to certain people who have posted to merely ridicule those of us having an earnest discussion on religion? What do you propose I should do - stay quiet, be apathetic, lethargic? Oh wait a minute, maybe I'm confused because that's what you propose we should all do on immigration and terrorism issues. isn't it?

Where in any of my posts prior to this thread have I displayed "religious intolerance"?

I think you are so blinded by 'immigrant/Muslim defensive rage' that I had the temerity to state what I did, that you are confusing me with the Islamic Fundamentalist murdering mongols who take "religious intolerance" to its extreme and who have it preached to them throughout the text in their holy book.

I have posted many comprehensive articles on here stating that ordinary Muslims are not to blame for these atrocities and that a lot of them openly condemn the terrorists behind them, and I still do stand by that.

So perhaps I should have made that point clearer in the post you object to, but that post was part knee-jerk reaction to yet another sickening atrocity carried out by these evil bastards, and part hurried due to certain factors, so I will better explain what I meant to put in my post.

The irrefutable facts are that these atrocities are not being perpetrated by armed invaders arriving here openly on gunboats from Syria, Afghanistan or the Yemen, but by immigrants who have been welcomed in with open arms .
by the very host countries in which they carry out their barbaric slaughter.

And therein lies the problem; how to effectively vet the floods of immigrants into this and other Western Democratic countries to detect such terrorists and prevent them from entering.

As they do not wear labels saying 'I'm a A 5th Columnist Terrorist Get Me In There' it's an impossible task, but because this problem with immigrant terrorist atrocities is becoming more frequent and their acts more audacious, something clearly has to be done.

The answer is unfortunate but necessary; stop all immigration by Muslims - even if only temporarily - to allow our Security Services to function effectively. Give them the not inconsiderable hundreds of millions saved by stopping further immigration to enable them to rigorously investigate suspected terrorists and their sympathisers among those Muslim immigrants already here. And our Security Services are not clueless, they have their lists, but are restricted by 'red tape', lack of funds and time. So buy our Security Services the precious time to carry out such investigations without them having to concern themselves with how many more potential terrorists may be entering the UK daily among the new influx of immigrants. Strip away the 'red tape', let them do their job.

Ordinary peace-loving Muslims will not be offended by such an action, they will welcome it, and the one's who raise their voices in protest screaming 'racism' and 'xenophobia' will expose themselves as not being 'ordinary peace-loving Muslims' because no sane, decent person will ever protest against necessary measures taken to end this senseless slaughter of innocent lives.

I for one prefer to be accused of 'over-reacting' than not reacting at all. I prefer being accused of 'going too far' than having inertia and not moving at all, and unlike you and others like you, I don't sit back and lambaste those who at least propose some type of action to counter terrorism, nor criticise such proposals without proffering alternatives.

So just what do you propose that we should do about this terrorist problem?

Do you accept that such terrorists spring from the immigrant communities of the host countries where they are committing their bloodbaths? If so, just what do you advocate as the best way of solving the problem of identifying such 5th columnists from among the immigrant masses?

What do you contend is the best way of protecting Western Democracies from further infiltration by covert terrorists and their sympathisers which isn't offensive to Muslims, Immigrants, and their supporters?

Please post and enlighten me.

Oh, and I an genuinely sorry to hear of your problems and suffering at the hands of Christian extremists but would seriously be interested in knowing which conflict that was.

[bots]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I don't see how we would need to waive any of our rights to freedom and free speech Bitonthe side? We are already waiving away those rights daily by allowing these bastards to intimidate us and stop Nativity plays in our Christian schools, stop the wearing of crucifixes around the necks of our nurses, and a host of other 'forced' changes to our Western democratic way of life, and we are already allowing them to intimidate us and curb our rights to free speech because we dare not speak any truths if it is a truth about Muslims, immigrants or foreigners in general.

It is time to stop ALL immigration but especially of Muslims - be they Black, Brown, Asian or Eastern Europeans, and feck the EU - what are they going to do, slap us?

Time is NOT on our side and we have NOT got several generations. By that time we will all definitely be under Sharia law or dead.

Lebanon was a Westernised Christian democracy, and it became Islamified in less than half a generation.

When germs enter our bodies through our skin, the body's defence mechanicism kicks into action; the wound is sealed off to stop further infestation, and the little white soldiers which are our antibodies swoop on the invaders and kick the feck out of them to protect our bodies.

We should learn from nature - seal off our borders and stop letting the bastards in, thereby making it easier for our Security Services to deal with the millions already here.

We should also learn from current affairs because the atrocities in Holland, Australia and Paris weren't committed by an invading army, but by fecking IMMIGRANTS which those countries had welcomed and embraced and and allowed to live there. FFS even Jihadi John hails from the UK.

It's time now for the UK people to take to the streets, shout from the rooftops and go on strike if need be to FORCE our weak leaders to CLOSE our borders and stand up to the bastards who are already here. It's time to Stop appeasing them and start INVESTIGATING them. Sniff out the 5th columnists and sympathisers and BOOT the ***** out. Feck Brussels.

With respect Kirk, your response is exactly what these terrorists want. They want to disrupt western life, feed hatred, make us react violently and harshly toward them because that ultimately feeds their cause and recruits them further support. This will take generations to resolve, because you cannot remove hatred in a generation, and by reacting to their actions negatively all we are doing is further feeding hatred on all sides. In this respect, the turn the other cheek philosophy is actually the best response because we can then maintain the society that we in the west have worked so hard to create.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

With respect Kirk, your response is exactly what these terrorists want. They want to disrupt western life, feed hatred, make us react violently and harshly toward them because that ultimately feeds their cause and recruits them further support. This will take generations to resolve, because you cannot remove hatred in a generation, and by reacting to their actions negatively all we are doing is further feeding hatred on all sides. In this respect, the turn the other cheek philosophy is actually the best response because we can then maintain the society that we in the west have worked so hard to create.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

With respect Kirk, your response is exactly what these terrorists want. They want to disrupt western life, feed hatred, make us react violently and harshly toward them because that ultimately feeds their cause and recruits them further support. This will take generations to resolve, because you cannot remove hatred in a generation, and by reacting to their actions negatively all we are doing is further feeding hatred on all sides. In this respect, the turn the other cheek philosophy is actually the best response because we can then maintain the society that we in the west have worked so hard to create.

So perhaps we should do nothing, keep quiet, preserve the status quo ?

Let's carry on and pretend everything in the garden is rosy, ignore atrocity after atrocity after all it's not my workplace that has had its employees murdered in cold blood for drawing cartoons, it's not me or anyone in my family who has had their head almost decapitated on a London street.

No let's turn a blind eye to that and just sit back like sheep and let over 20 centuries of British Culture and Christianity be slowly flushed down the toilet.

Judging by some of the posts on here people are still hanging on to the deluded idea that in a generation or two we will all be friends all living in harmony.

Sorry , if you actually took time out and looked at what is happening in Europe you will see that a process of islamification is under way and that changes are happening , have been happening to change our way of life forever.

Yesterday's outrage is but one more in a long line of atrocities , it's creeping closer folks and all the brotherhood and kingship and love won't stop it.

And years from now when you are forced to get up at 4am for the call to prayer in your black tent garments with you face covered, years from now when Arabic is the UK 's official language and sharia law is in force, you will cast a wistful eye back and wonder how it all came to this and how nobody saw it happening.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

So perhaps we should do nothing, keep quiet, preserve the status quo ?

Let's carry on and pretend everything in the garden is rosy, ignore atrocity after atrocity after all it's not my workplace that has had its employees murdered in cold blood for drawing cartoons, it's not me or anyone in my family who has had their head almost decapitated on a London street.

No let's turn a blind eye to that and just sit back like sheep and let over 20 centuries of British Culture and Christianity be slowly flushed down the toilet.

Judging by some of the posts on here people are still hanging on to the deluded idea that in a generation or two we will all be friends all living in harmony.

Sorry , if you actually took time out and looked at what is happening in Europe you will see that a process of islamification is under way and that changes are happening , have been happening to change our way of life forever.

Yesterday's outrage is but one more in a long line of atrocities , it's creeping closer folks and all the brotherhood and kingship and love won't stop it.

And years from now when you are forced to get up at 4am for the call to prayer in your black tent garments with you face covered, years from now when Arabic is the UK 's official language and sharia law is in force, you will cast a wistful eye back and wonder how it all came to this and how nobody saw it happening.

I don't think anyone is advocating "doing nothing" Nedusa, but turning on your Muslim neighbour just because they happen to be Muslim is not the answer here, I do agree with you that we need to perserve our own customs and traditions and beliefs, however the deterioration in this is more to do with people turning away from Christianity, I doubt any of those people will be converting to Islam anytime soon.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't think anyone is advocating "doing nothing" Nedusa, but turning on your Muslim neighbour just because they happen to be Muslim is not the answer here, I do agree with you that we need to perserve our own customs and traditions and beliefs, however the deterioration in this is more to do with people turning away from Christianity, I doubt any of those people will be converting to Islam anytime soon.

I am not saying we should turn on our Muslim neighbours or bring back internment camps, but ALL Muslim immigrants must try and integrate into British society observe our laws,culture and traditions.

We are a Christian Country regardless of how many people go to church so all our Christian holidays should be allowed to be celebrated fully without any dumbing down to other faiths.

Our press freedoms and freedom of speech are part of our democracy and as such we have the right to poke fun or satirise ALL religious icons including Mohammed.

We have a right to smoke and drink alcohol and we have a right to wear the shortest skirts we can fit into. It is NOT against our laws.

We have a right to let our hair be shown , freely uncovered.

We ( women) have a right to an education, to have a career , drive a car go out at night unchaperoned.

And we have a right NOT to be stoned to death because someone thinks we don't have these rights.

This is just a snapshot of some of the things we have fought for over the decades with millions dying in World Wars to preserve these rights.

I for one will resist to my dying breath any attempt to take away these rights.

It does not take a genius to see that we as a Country have started to play down and dilute our holiest days like Christmas or Easter . Why are we doing this ?

Now our freedom of speech is under attack...... No British Newspaper has the balls today to publish the cartoons that caused the atrocity yesterday. No they are fearful so you could argue the terrorists are winning.

So back to our Muslim neighbours yes live here in peace, integrate and respect our laws, culture, religion etc....

If they are not happy to do that then they should crawl back under the sand dune they came from.




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[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I am not saying we should turn on our Muslim neighbours or bring back internment camps, but ALL Muslim immigrants must try and integrate into British society observe our laws,culture and traditions.

We are a Christian Country regardless of how many people go to church so all our Christian holidays should be allowed to be celebrated fully without any dumbing down to other faiths.

Our press freedoms and freedom of speech are part of our democracy and as such we have the right to poke fun or satirise ALL religious icons including Mohammed.

We have a right to smoke and drink alcohol and we have a right to wear the shortest skirts we can fit into. It is NOT against our laws.

We have a right to let our hair be shown , freely uncovered.

We ( women) have a right to an education, to have a career , drive a car go out at night unchaperoned.

And we have a right NOT to be stoned to death because someone thinks we don't have these rights.

This is just a snapshot of some of the things we have fought for over the decades with millions dying in World Wars to preserve these rights.

I for one will resist to my dying breath any attempt to take away these rights.

It does not take a genius to see that we as a Country have started to play down and dilute our holiest days like Christmas or Easter . Why are we doing this ?

Now our freedom of speech is under attack...... No British Newspaper has the balls today to publish the cartoons that caused the atrocity yesterday. No they are fearful so you could argue the terrorists are winning.

So back to our Muslim neighbours yes live here in peace, integrate and respect our laws, culture, religion etc....

If they are not happy to do that then they should crawl back under the sand dune they came from.




.

Completely agree with this, tbf though I don't know any that don't celebrate Christmas, same for Sikhs, Jews etc, I think the dumbing down of Christmas and Easter is more to do with following America, Spring Break and Happy Holidays are American traditions, as are Halloween and now God help us we have decided to import Black Friday.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

So perhaps we should do nothing, keep quiet, preserve the status quo ?

Let's carry on and pretend everything in the garden is rosy, ignore atrocity after atrocity after all it's not my workplace that has had its employees murdered in cold blood for drawing cartoons, it's not me or anyone in my family who has had their head almost decapitated on a London street.

No let's turn a blind eye to that and just sit back like sheep and let over 20 centuries of British Culture and Christianity be slowly flushed down the toilet.

Judging by some of the posts on here people are still hanging on to the deluded idea that in a generation or two we will all be friends all living in harmony.

Sorry , if you actually took time out and looked at what is happening in Europe you will see that a process of islamification is under way and that changes are happening , have been happening to change our way of life forever.

Yesterday's outrage is but one more in a long line of atrocities , it's creeping closer folks and all the brotherhood and kingship and love won't stop it.

And years from now when you are forced to get up at 4am for the call to prayer in your black tent garments with you face covered, years from now when Arabic is the UK 's official language and sharia law is in force, you will cast a wistful eye back and wonder how it all came to this and how nobody saw it happening.

I am not suggesting that we do nothing though, I am suggesting that we take appropriate action that still maintains our ideals and values. This, in my opinion, is the approach that is now being taken, and which will ultimately be successful. Will there be many further atrocities - probably, its not nice, its obscene, but its a fact that reverting to their tactics will just escalate conflicts and not lead to resolution.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I don't see how we would need to waive any of our rights to freedom and free speech Bitonthe side? We are already waiving away those rights daily by allowing these bastards to intimidate us and stop Nativity plays in our Christian schools, stop the wearing of crucifixes around the necks of our nurses, and a host of other 'forced' changes to our Western democratic way of life, and we are already allowing them to intimidate us and curb our rights to free speech because we dare not speak any truths if it is a truth about Muslims, immigrants or foreigners in general.

It is time to stop ALL immigration but especially of Muslims - be they Black, Brown, Asian or Eastern Europeans, and feck the EU - what are they going to do, slap us?

Time is NOT on our side and we have NOT got several generations. By that time we will all definitely be under Sharia law or dead.

Lebanon was a Westernised Christian democracy, and it became Islamified in less than half a generation.

When germs enter our bodies through our skin, the body's defence mechanicism kicks into action; the wound is sealed off to stop further infestation, and the little white soldiers which are our antibodies swoop on the invaders and kick the feck out of them to protect our bodies.

We should learn from nature - seal off our borders and stop letting the bastards in, thereby making it easier for our Security Services to deal with the millions already here.

We should also learn from current affairs because the atrocities in Holland, Australia and Paris weren't committed by an invading army, but by fecking IMMIGRANTS which those countries had welcomed and embraced and and allowed to live there. FFS even Jihadi John hails from the UK.

It's time now for the UK people to take to the streets, shout from the rooftops and go on strike if need be to FORCE our weak leaders to CLOSE our borders and stand up to the bastards who are already here. It's time to Stop appeasing them and start INVESTIGATING them. Sniff out the 5th columnists and sympathisers and BOOT the ***** out. Feck Brussels.

Our lilly livered politicians are not ready for that.But in the end it will come to that,More than likely when it is too late and there is all out war on the streets.People will eventually wake up to the slow,step by step Islamification of our society but by then things will be dire.In years to come when the native population of our tiny Island becomes a minority and we are fighting for our freedom and being attacked,bombed and shot regularly.People will look back at the last two decades and say 'Wtf were they thinking'.I think France will eventually take the lead on taking a hard line approach to combatting terrorism and uncontrolled immigration and we and other European nations will follow in their footsteps.At the moment nobody has the balls to take the first stance but i feel France is on its way.