[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

With respect Kirk, your response is exactly what these terrorists want. They want to disrupt western life, feed hatred, make us react violently and harshly toward them because that ultimately feeds their cause and recruits them further support. This will take generations to resolve, because you cannot remove hatred in a generation, and by reacting to their actions negatively all we are doing is further feeding hatred on all sides. In this respect, the turn the other cheek philosophy is actually the best response because we can then maintain the society that we in the west have worked so hard to create.

So perhaps we should do nothing, keep quiet, preserve the status quo ?

Let's carry on and pretend everything in the garden is rosy, ignore atrocity after atrocity after all it's not my workplace that has had its employees murdered in cold blood for drawing cartoons, it's not me or anyone in my family who has had their head almost decapitated on a London street.

No let's turn a blind eye to that and just sit back like sheep and let over 20 centuries of British Culture and Christianity be slowly flushed down the toilet.

Judging by some of the posts on here people are still hanging on to the deluded idea that in a generation or two we will all be friends all living in harmony.

Sorry , if you actually took time out and looked at what is happening in Europe you will see that a process of islamification is under way and that changes are happening , have been happening to change our way of life forever.

Yesterday's outrage is but one more in a long line of atrocities , it's creeping closer folks and all the brotherhood and kingship and love won't stop it.

And years from now when you are forced to get up at 4am for the call to prayer in your black tent garments with you face covered, years from now when Arabic is the UK 's official language and sharia law is in force, you will cast a wistful eye back and wonder how it all came to this and how nobody saw it happening.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

So perhaps we should do nothing, keep quiet, preserve the status quo ?

Let's carry on and pretend everything in the garden is rosy, ignore atrocity after atrocity after all it's not my workplace that has had its employees murdered in cold blood for drawing cartoons, it's not me or anyone in my family who has had their head almost decapitated on a London street.

No let's turn a blind eye to that and just sit back like sheep and let over 20 centuries of British Culture and Christianity be slowly flushed down the toilet.

Judging by some of the posts on here people are still hanging on to the deluded idea that in a generation or two we will all be friends all living in harmony.

Sorry , if you actually took time out and looked at what is happening in Europe you will see that a process of islamification is under way and that changes are happening , have been happening to change our way of life forever.

Yesterday's outrage is but one more in a long line of atrocities , it's creeping closer folks and all the brotherhood and kingship and love won't stop it.

And years from now when you are forced to get up at 4am for the call to prayer in your black tent garments with you face covered, years from now when Arabic is the UK 's official language and sharia law is in force, you will cast a wistful eye back and wonder how it all came to this and how nobody saw it happening.

I don't think anyone is advocating "doing nothing" Nedusa, but turning on your Muslim neighbour just because they happen to be Muslim is not the answer here, I do agree with you that we need to perserve our own customs and traditions and beliefs, however the deterioration in this is more to do with people turning away from Christianity, I doubt any of those people will be converting to Islam anytime soon.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't think anyone is advocating "doing nothing" Nedusa, but turning on your Muslim neighbour just because they happen to be Muslim is not the answer here, I do agree with you that we need to perserve our own customs and traditions and beliefs, however the deterioration in this is more to do with people turning away from Christianity, I doubt any of those people will be converting to Islam anytime soon.

I am not saying we should turn on our Muslim neighbours or bring back internment camps, but ALL Muslim immigrants must try and integrate into British society observe our laws,culture and traditions.

We are a Christian Country regardless of how many people go to church so all our Christian holidays should be allowed to be celebrated fully without any dumbing down to other faiths.

Our press freedoms and freedom of speech are part of our democracy and as such we have the right to poke fun or satirise ALL religious icons including Mohammed.

We have a right to smoke and drink alcohol and we have a right to wear the shortest skirts we can fit into. It is NOT against our laws.

We have a right to let our hair be shown , freely uncovered.

We ( women) have a right to an education, to have a career , drive a car go out at night unchaperoned.

And we have a right NOT to be stoned to death because someone thinks we don't have these rights.

This is just a snapshot of some of the things we have fought for over the decades with millions dying in World Wars to preserve these rights.

I for one will resist to my dying breath any attempt to take away these rights.

It does not take a genius to see that we as a Country have started to play down and dilute our holiest days like Christmas or Easter . Why are we doing this ?

Now our freedom of speech is under attack...... No British Newspaper has the balls today to publish the cartoons that caused the atrocity yesterday. No they are fearful so you could argue the terrorists are winning.

So back to our Muslim neighbours yes live here in peace, integrate and respect our laws, culture, religion etc....

If they are not happy to do that then they should crawl back under the sand dune they came from.




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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I am not saying we should turn on our Muslim neighbours or bring back internment camps, but ALL Muslim immigrants must try and integrate into British society observe our laws,culture and traditions.

We are a Christian Country regardless of how many people go to church so all our Christian holidays should be allowed to be celebrated fully without any dumbing down to other faiths.

Our press freedoms and freedom of speech are part of our democracy and as such we have the right to poke fun or satirise ALL religious icons including Mohammed.

We have a right to smoke and drink alcohol and we have a right to wear the shortest skirts we can fit into. It is NOT against our laws.

We have a right to let our hair be shown , freely uncovered.

We ( women) have a right to an education, to have a career , drive a car go out at night unchaperoned.

And we have a right NOT to be stoned to death because someone thinks we don't have these rights.

This is just a snapshot of some of the things we have fought for over the decades with millions dying in World Wars to preserve these rights.

I for one will resist to my dying breath any attempt to take away these rights.

It does not take a genius to see that we as a Country have started to play down and dilute our holiest days like Christmas or Easter . Why are we doing this ?

Now our freedom of speech is under attack...... No British Newspaper has the balls today to publish the cartoons that caused the atrocity yesterday. No they are fearful so you could argue the terrorists are winning.

So back to our Muslim neighbours yes live here in peace, integrate and respect our laws, culture, religion etc....

If they are not happy to do that then they should crawl back under the sand dune they came from.




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Completely agree with this, tbf though I don't know any that don't celebrate Christmas, same for Sikhs, Jews etc, I think the dumbing down of Christmas and Easter is more to do with following America, Spring Break and Happy Holidays are American traditions, as are Halloween and now God help us we have decided to import Black Friday.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

So perhaps we should do nothing, keep quiet, preserve the status quo ?

Let's carry on and pretend everything in the garden is rosy, ignore atrocity after atrocity after all it's not my workplace that has had its employees murdered in cold blood for drawing cartoons, it's not me or anyone in my family who has had their head almost decapitated on a London street.

No let's turn a blind eye to that and just sit back like sheep and let over 20 centuries of British Culture and Christianity be slowly flushed down the toilet.

Judging by some of the posts on here people are still hanging on to the deluded idea that in a generation or two we will all be friends all living in harmony.

Sorry , if you actually took time out and looked at what is happening in Europe you will see that a process of islamification is under way and that changes are happening , have been happening to change our way of life forever.

Yesterday's outrage is but one more in a long line of atrocities , it's creeping closer folks and all the brotherhood and kingship and love won't stop it.

And years from now when you are forced to get up at 4am for the call to prayer in your black tent garments with you face covered, years from now when Arabic is the UK 's official language and sharia law is in force, you will cast a wistful eye back and wonder how it all came to this and how nobody saw it happening.

I am not suggesting that we do nothing though, I am suggesting that we take appropriate action that still maintains our ideals and values. This, in my opinion, is the approach that is now being taken, and which will ultimately be successful. Will there be many further atrocities - probably, its not nice, its obscene, but its a fact that reverting to their tactics will just escalate conflicts and not lead to resolution.