[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Jack The Cat

That is certainly a factor for me. I didn't have a strong opinion of her, until people started to say if you like her you must be a bad person as well. That really wound me up, the arrogance was shocking.

I don't think anyone is a bad person for liking Katie H.
Each to their own.
I find Calum an arrogant twat but my sister is in love with him
It's a strange world...........

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Jack The Cat

That is certainly a factor for me. I didn't have a strong opinion of her, until people started to say if you like her you must be a bad person as well. That really wound me up, the arrogance was shocking.

I don't think you are a bad person Jack! I am just bewildered about why people like her because she does not come across as likeable to me. Re asbergers if it is a confirmed diagnosis then it would explain her emotional detachment some of her oddness and the relentlessness when she picks a bone with someone like going after Keith. It doesn't excuse it IMO but it would explain it. But for me she screams sociopath rather than asbergers.

[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by Josy

Is this just your opinion or has she actually told people she has been diagnosed with that?

Opinion, with a little insight behind it. As she can function at a very high level, unless she went seeking a diagnosis it is not obvious enough.

[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

I don't think anyone is a bad person for liking Katie H.
Each to their own.
I find Calum an arrogant twat but my sister is in love with him
It's a strange world...........

It is a mad, mad world indeed.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Jack The Cat

Opinion, with a little insight behind it. As she can function at a very high level, unless she went seeking a diagnosis it is not obvious enough.

I can't help feel it would have picked up by now. Her behaviour is strange and there is an odd emotional detachment about her that is quite creepy yet she seems to have a powerful hold over her gang in there.

[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I don't think you are a bad person Jack! I am just bewildered about why people like her because she does not come across as likeable to me. Re asbergers if it is a confirmed diagnosis then it would explain her emotional detachment some of her oddness and the relentlessness when she picks a bone with someone like going after Keith. It doesn't excuse it IMO but it would explain it. But for me she screams sociopath rather than asbergers.

You make a good point, the lack of empathy you find with Asperger's is also a major factor when diagnosing a person with "Sociopathic" tendances. I don't view a sociopath as an absolute negative, the meaning has been twisted by Hollywood to a degree.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I can't help feel it would have picked up by now. Her behaviour is strange and there is an odd emotional detachment about her that is quite creepy yet she seems to have a powerful hold over her gang in there.

I think she is just a horrible person. Hence the emotional detachment.
As for her gang. I think they are all aware of what kind of person she is but chose to stick with her in order not to be targeted & stay in longer.
It worked well.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jack The Cat

I believe she has a mild form of Aspergers. So to answer the OP yes I would say she does have something wrong.

Have you a link for this? Oh sorry just seen it is your opinion

[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I can't help feel it would have picked up by now. Her behaviour is strange and there is an odd emotional detachment about her that is quite creepy yet she seems to have a powerful hold over her gang in there.

You will find throughout history that the most charismatic leaders often have "Sociopathic" characteristics.

[smudgie]

I thnk she is just driven by greed.
She has no real talent, therefore it is easier to just 'act out' her hate.
She is clever enough to know that controversy sells, just not clever enough to realise you reap what you sow, one day Karma will come and bite her on the backside.
The only thng mssing from her brain is a conscience, she cares not who she hurts or damages by her articles. The media that employ her or give her a platform to spew her bile are just as guilty.

[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Have you a link for this?

Not a single link I'm afraid, the information with regards to a lack of empathy has been well researched and published.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Jack The Cat

Without speaking directly with her under certain conditions it would only be a guess. Even then as it is so mild it would be very hard to diagnose, where does a person's personality start and a medical condition end?

Weirdly one of the children I once worked with was called Jack. He was incredibly bright, I liked him a lot inspite of a tendancy to be a little violent in anger.

[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

I think she is just a horrible person. Hence the emotional detachment.
As for her gang. I think they are all aware of what kind of person she is but chose to stick with her in order not to be targeted & stay in longer.
It worked well.

I see what you mean but does her emotional detachment make her a horrible person. Or does her being a horrible person make her emotionally detached. I guess is it a cause or effect?

[Tip]

I think it's worrying to narrow what is "normal" in human behaviour and responses and treat too much outside of that as a "disorder".

Where things affect ones ability to cope or deal with life effectively, then indeed diagnoses can be more than just useful.

It is also argued that we need humans with a different mix or degree of different traits and as long as they aren't dysfunctional then we shouldn't be too concerned about saying something is "wrong".

In certain circumstances it could be seen as highly desirable to have a less empathetic or more sociopathic leaning for survival.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Jack The Cat

I see what you mean but does her emotional detachment make her a horrible person. Or does her being a horrible person make her emotionally detached. I guess is it a cause or effect?

It's a fine line. Either way I would not want to live with her

[Tarryn]

When you think about it, IF there really is something wrong with Katie H & she has little or no control over her actions, the likes of Michelle, Kav, Cami & Calum should be even more ashamed of themselves for backing her up.
She has an excuse for her behaviour they don't.

[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by Tip

I think it's worrying to narrow what is "normal" in human behaviour and responses and treat too much outside of that as a "disorder".

Where things affect ones ability to cope or deal with life effectively, then indeed diagnoses can be more than just useful.

It is also argued that we need humans with a different mix or degree of different traits and as long as they aren't dysfunctional then we shouldn't be too concerned about saying something is "wrong".

In certain circumstances it could be seen as highly desirable to have a less empathetic or more sociopathic leaning for survival.

Very well put and I totally agree, Katie in a real survival situation would be a better companion that most other people. Certainty in a genuine war situation she would make a good leader. I also would guess that she would make sacrifices without emotional regret as all the best leaders are prepared to do.

[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

It's a fine line. Either way I would not want to live with her

Nor me, but I would trust her completely if I had to follow her in battle.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack The Cat

I see what you mean but does her emotional detachment make her a horrible person. Or does her being a horrible person make her emotionally detached. I guess is it a cause or effect?

I would go with this. I don't think you could be a horrible person unless you were emotionally detached

[arista]

Originally Posted by Josy

Basically what the title asks but other than the epilepsy and the nastiness..

She seems like she has some sort of tic or similar, she pulls the weirdest faces and nods her head erratically during conversations that don't even involve her.

Then there's the complete unnecessary rolls of the entire head just to roll her eyes at something.

Very odd.

Her Husband left her

Showing life to be unfair

[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I would go with this. I don't think you could be a horrible person unless you were emotionally detached

Empathy does seem to be the key factor, with emotional intelligence.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I would go with this. I don't think you could be a horrible person unless you were emotionally detached

She feels an immense amount of compassion.................for herself.
Hence her "Tears" last night

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack The Cat

Empathy does seem to be the key factor, with emotional intelligence.

definitely, me personally I don't think I could go up to someone who's not done anything at all to me and tell them they're stupid or that they were a cruel parent. I would feel way too bad to do that, even if I was gaining something from it, I just wouldn't have the heart for it

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Jack The Cat

That is certainly a factor for me. I didn't have a strong opinion of her, until people started to say if you like her you must be a bad person as well. That really wound me up, the arrogance was shocking.

That's why I don't think she has a mild form of aspies. Aspies tend to deflect people rather than draw them in. They tend to be a little or a lot eccentric which is more likely to deter friendships than encourage it. Aspies don't have superficial charm and although they do offend people, its not deliberate and they tend not to be aware that they have offended. Katie Hopkins is very aware when she's offending. Its deliberate and its calculated.

Katie Hopkins tends to look for weakness in a person and use that weakness for her own gain. That isn't something an aspies would do. Her blunt emotional reactions could be that of an aspie but that's as far as it goes and we must keep in mind that blunt emotional reactions are something we commonly see in sociopaths. The pursing of the lips and the twisting and contorting of the mouth in peculiar ways is something that is seen in sociopaths a lot.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Jack The Cat

Very well put and I totally agree, Katie in a real survival situation would be a better companion that most other people. Certainty in a genuine war situation she would make a good leader. I also would guess that she would make sacrifices without emotional regret as all the best leaders are prepared to do.

Yep, absolutely this. We need sociopaths in our world but we just need them in the right places.