[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I can see where your point Kizzy

She may have a point but it's not even the point we were discussing, I don't know why this has suddenly changed from drink/drugs deaths being acceptable to Celebrity Deaths V's Random Stranger Death lol

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She may have a point but it's not even the point we were discussing, I don't know why this has suddenly changed from drink/drugs deaths being acceptable to Celebrity Deaths V's Random Stranger Death lol

ooop I must pay more attention, I did my own pet hate and only read a few of the lastest posts

[Northern Monkey]

You gotta be careful and do your research.I weight train regularly.A few years ago(maybe 10)I was sold a bottle of capsules in a supplement shop which were over the counter and sold as a 'supplement' to help with my training.I took these things for a month and i blew up,I put a stone of muscle on,I got big.It was only later after doing my research on these things that i found out that these were basically steroids and are banned now.I was not offered any liver support which is recommended or post cycle therapy(which is prescription only) or anything.I thought i was taking a natural supplement.I would not have taken these had i known,I could've got steroids if i wanted easily but chose not to.
As i learned,You have to research any of these so called 'supplements' and how to dose them before you put them inside your body.

[Niamh.]

Also the reason his death is being debated like this more so then a typical celeb rip thread is because his parents are suing Amazon so in effect putting the blame on them for their sons death

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She may have a point but it's not even the point we were discussing, I don't know why this has suddenly changed from drink/drugs deaths being acceptable to Celebrity Deaths V's Random Stranger Death lol

It's the principle, and it has relevance I don't see any difference in whether they were known or a member of the public personally but this is how I see the two.

Joe publics unintentional death= stupid

Celebrity unintentional death= tragedy

I'm drawing a comparison between the two, and raised the point to highlight the deference in reactions to them.
No matter how preventable their death was.
Just because the guy was a stranger it's ok to suggest he was stupid yet had it been anyone you had even the most tenuous connection with... you'd seen their film or read something about them then their death is suddenly elevated to such a pointless waste of potential.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's the principle, and it has relevance I don't see any difference in whether they were known or a member of the public personally but this is how I see the two.



Joe publics unintentional death= stupid



Celebrity unintentional death= tragedy



I'm drawing a comparison between the two, and raised the point to highlight the deference in reactions to them.

No matter how preventable their death was.

Just because the guy was a stranger it's ok to suggest he was stupid yet had it been anyone you had even the most tenuous connection with... you'd seen their film or read something about them then their death is suddenly elevated to such a pointless waste of potential.

But that isn't the point we were discussing lol that's a whole other subject. In regards to what we were talking about, yes I think people would have reacted similarly or more strongly even if drink/drugs had been the cause if this boys death and no I don't think it's more acceptable to people when it drink/drugs

But if you want to talk about celebrity deaths V's strangers deaths and if you want to discuss like with like, if lets say after Amy Winehouse died and her father was planning to sue the off licence where she bought her drink from, then I think people would have been more forth coming with their opinions on who's fault her death was

[user104658]

It is obviously his own fault but that doesn't make it any less tragic. I'm concerned need I od'd on caffeine at University - I stupidly drank 20 (yes, 20!) vodka red bulls on a night out. I've never felt so wretched in my entire life. I couldn't sleep properly for 4 days - I would dose off for 15 minutes or so and then wake-up with my heart pounding. My muscles were twitching, I was utterly exhausted, but totally broken. It was stupid. I laughed about it at the time but I could easily have done myself serious damage. Plus plenty of other occasions with alcohol consumption - my tolerance levels were stupidly high mid-Uni and I was frequently knocking back a litre of whiskey and then heading out and having 10 - 15 pints on top of it.

And I'm far from the only one. There's no one really to "blame" but himself but I don't think it makes him stupid or deserving of death... Just young and naive. Very sad.

[Niamh.]

I agree completely with your post TS, I think the reason people are discussing it though is because his parents are suing Amazon

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But that isn't the point we were discussing lol that's a whole other subject. In regards to what we were talking about, yes I think people would have reacted similarly or more strongly even if drink/drugs had been the cause if this boys death and no I don't think it's more acceptable to people when it drink/drugs

But if you want to talk about celebrity deaths V's strangers deaths and if you want to discuss like with like, if lets say after Amy Winehouse died and her father was planning to sue the off licence where she bought her drink from, then I think people would have been more forth coming with their opinions on who's fault her death was

It isn't a different subject at all... it's this one.

The onus was on the death and the fact some labeled it 'stupid' and him stupid for misunderstanding the dosage.
Regardless of what his parents did subsequently.

So yes I feel that preventable deaths both famous and non famous are entirely comparable in the same context, I don't know why you have a problem with this.

All preventable deaths can be put down to 'stupidity' regardless of who they are and how they occurred.. or none of them.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It isn't a different subject at all... it's this one.



The onus was on the death and the fact some labeled it 'stupid' and him stupid for misunderstanding the dosage.

Regardless of what his parents did subsequently.



So yes I feel that preventable deaths both famous and non famous are entirely comparable in the same context, I don't know why you have a problem with this.



All preventable deaths can be put down to 'stupidity' regardless of who they are and how they occurred.. or none of them.

The title of this thread includes the fact that the parents are suing Amazon so obviously people are going to discuss who was at fault for the boys death, it's actually the subject of the thread lol

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The title of this thread includes the fact that the parents are suing Amazon so obviously people are going to discuss who was at fault for the boys death, it's actually the subject of the thread lol

They may do lol... That's not the point, I still don't see the need to brand him 'stupid' and a '*******wit' it's rude, unnecessary and distasteful.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They may do lol... That's not the point, I still don't see the need to brand him 'stupid' and a '*******wit' it's rude, unnecessary and distasteful.

I didn't actually say any of those things though, I said what he did was a bit stupid, I also said that most people did stupid things at that age

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I didn't actually say any of those things though, I said what he did was a bit stupid, I also said that most people did stupid things at that age

Never said you did. lol

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Never said you did. lol

fair enough

[Livia]

I said he was a ****wit. And I stand by it.

[Nedusa]

Another late entrant to Darwin Awards, congratulations... I'm sure his demise will only strengthen the gene pool.

[Kizzy]

[lostalex]

keep clapping for a dead kid who was actually motivated and trying to accomplish something. shame on him for actually being so focused on a goal.

too bad he wasn't just another lazy kid sitting around eating mcdonalds and drinking and going after girls. if only he wasn't so motivated, he'd still be alive.

shame on him for not being a typical drunk flunkie teen.

[Kizzy]

The lawsuit says the package informed users that a cup of coffee contains about 1/32nd of a teaspoon of caffeine.
The package label also warned that the powder 'can be dangerous if abused,' and 'failure to follow safety guidelines can result in serious injury or death,' the lawsuit said.
The lawsuit claims that the label lacked specific instructions on proper use.
'The difference between life and death is a pinch and a smidgen,' Balser said.
Hard Rhino sold the powder as a dietary supplement, which allows the company to bypass FDA regulations, Balser said.

Spoiler:

I would say they had a point too, how they got away with selling this dangerous substance as a 'supplement' is unbelievable.

The packaging has no way to measure out any dosage, and the information is tiny and inadequate. The picture takes up half the label and the address a quarter of that.