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Originally Posted by Kizzy

You can't counter a view by espousing the very views you're suggesting aren't influencing people...

There's a legitimate debate that the employment figures we currently have are not a true representation of who is actually in employment at this moment in the UK, that the amount of government borrowing over the last 5yrs dwarfs anything from the previous 13, that the average household is £1100 worse off under the conservatives.

I don't believe anyone had these debates as they were blindsided by the faux nationalism of the right wing media purporting the scourge approaching from the north?
The same govt who sells any asset we have to foreign investors, French nuclear, American frackers, Chinese developers.... it's all subjective this 'national pride' isn't it in the grand scheme of things as the sex pistols said 'ever get the feeling you're being cheated?'

So am I just victim of Sun propaganda as well lol?

Yes there are legitimate debates to be had over all these issues, its the beauty of politics (sort of) that nothing is black and white. Parties engage with these debates, people engage with them and yes, newspapers engage with them too. But even just one person's decision of who to vote for will typically be formed out of a melting pot of considerations, I still say it's too simplistic to reduce the vast majority of people's decision down to: who the Sun told them to vote for.