[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

By paymasters I presume you mean employers, paymasters seems such a Dickensian term...
You're putting words in my mouth as I didn't suggest all employers adopt these practices but it is growing.
They do pay a lot of tax yes, if they paid more out to employees would they not have as much to be taxed...and would the employee not have a decent wage to pay tax on?

I'm not sure what you're accusing me of, I'm not suggesting anyone squeeze anyone.

youre whole rhetoric and whole narative is anti economics.....all new labour want to do is create welfare depenancy so they have millions of voters for the next generation....then overly on the working and middle classes to pay a disproportionate level of income to pay for it.....oh and raise the minimum wage over £8 thus losing millions of jobs and banning all zero hour contracts and seasonal contracts thus losing even more jobs. oh and keeping vat at 20% keeping us enslaved to the endless layers of red tape and extra burocracy of devolution and EU nonsense which needs more public servants to run , more waste more burocracy more debt..all of this red tape has also lead to the police being totally and utterly ineffective...most of the time they brush off serious crime, fraud , theft etc as a civil matter because they simply cant be bothered to tackle serious criminals and worse still they fear the endless red tape and paperowrk ...then theres also more government cover ups and nhs cover ups....ironically new labour dont even discuss trade union and workers rights , blair targetted that in the beginning....

clearly workers need rights and they do have some for unfair dismissal etc but theother new labour policies and are cheap gimmicks that look good in the headlines of a tabloid, but whenever they are studied at a deeper level they lead to ruin....that leads back to bankruptcy again, theirs is simply the road to hell. im amazed youre an orwellian yet you support the super state of new labour and the EU? which has bankrupted umpteen countries already stolen their sovereignty by stealth, illegally invaded nations ,and disempowred millions.

without wishing to engage in a you v me battle....i simply havent got a clue where youre coming from or what kind of country you want to see