[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

You don't think that CBB won't be affected in the ratings by Civilian BB's collapse in the ratings?

Beetlejuice is right, the only way to save the franchise is to bring the Live Feed back and stop this TOWIE/Geordie Shore **** as most people hate those shows.

No I don't think it would at all. CBB gets a huge audience that doesn't even bother with the civilian version which is long passed its prime.

Evidence in the fact that during its life on channel 5, CBB has INCREASED its viewership compared to civilian which has dropped lower and lower.

Live feed won't change that. The casuals turning away aren't interested in 24/7 feeds. They're just turned off by the general sh*tty production, casting etc.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No I don't think it would at all. CBB gets a huge audience that doesn't even bother with the civilian version which is long passed its prime.

Live feed won't change that. The casuals turning away aren't interested in 24/7 feeds. They're just turned off by the general sh*tty production, casting etc.

The ****ty production and casting is in part because of the lack of the live coverage imo. The desperate stunts are needed because people aren't able to get to know the housemates or keep up with what is going on. A show that once had a sense of urgency and immediacy about it has become very slow. That is devastating to a show that was once all about people being able to keep up with everything that was going on as it unfolded. That is particularly essential in the age of 24/7 social media.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

The ****ty production and casting is in part because of the lack of the live coverage imo. The desperate stunts are needed because people aren't able to get to know the housemates or keep up with what is going on. A show that once had a sense of urgency and immediacy about it has become very slow. That is devastating to a show that was once all about people being able to keep up with everything that was going on as it unfolded. That is particularly essential in the age of 24/7 social media.

Casuals aren't interested in the feeds. It would have no bearing on ratings.

Live feed is a footnote on the never-ending list of problems leading to the show's deterioration. It is not the top priority.

Its social media platforms and website could do with a huge overhaul even without live feeds.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Casuals aren't interested in the feeds. It would have no bearing on ratings.

I just think you're wrong about this. Today everything is done on the internet. Casuals will be interested in it the moment there is a buzz about it on twitter. That's how social media works today and the lack of the 24/7 feed has taken away all of that buzz which generates interest among the casuals.

Live feed is a footnote on the never-ending list of problems leading to the show's deterioration. It is not the top priority.

Live feed is the absolute heart of the problem and always has been. The civilian show cannot survive without it.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Live feed is the absolute heart of the problem and always has been. The civilian show cannot survive without it.

It's survived for nearly five series without it. Granted, it's been dragged along kicking and screaming for much of that time, but it's still survived.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by MB.

It's survived for nearly five series without it. Granted, it's been dragged along kicking and screaming for much of that time, but it's still survived.

You've answered your own response. It's best year, or at least its most successful year was the year of the 2 hour live coverage. And that came later. And indeed, the ratings went up and were maintain after going up in week 4 (the week the 2 hour live feed came back at midnight).

If that live coverage had been there from the very first night like it used to be with Channel 4 people could get much more involved and want to stick with it from the start. When it's not there, you just give up on trying to keep up with the show.

Remember, the launch night still does well when it is well publicized, they need to find a way of keeping those viewers hanging on, but when it's just 45 minute HL shows that tell you hardly anything about any of them, the show is doomed.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Live feed is the absolute heart of the problem and always has been. The civilian show cannot survive without it.

I feel you're not fully understanding what I'm getting at but I'm too tired to continue trying to explain. No matter.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

I just think you're wrong about this. Today everything is done on the internet. Casuals will be interested in it the moment there is a buzz about it on twitter. That's how social media works today and the lack of the 24/7 feed has taken away all of that buzz which generates interest among the casuals.

You see, that's where it lies. TWITTER.

These social media nerds you speak of like to see things flash up "BREAKING NEWS AARON FREW EJECTED" "OOOH, HELEN AND NIKKI ARGUING AGAIN" followed by a 10 word sentence explaining what's happening or a 30 second video isolating the screaming and the shouting.

Would these people be glued to live feed? No.
Are this generation of people interested in old school Big Brother, getting to know these people and see how they cope in an enclosed environment with strangers? No.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You see, that's where it lies. TWITTER.

These social media nerds you speak of like to see things flash up "BREAKING NEWS AARON FREW EJECTED" "OOOH, HELEN AND NIKKI ARGUING AGAIN" followed by a 10 word sentence explaining what's happening or a 30 second video isolating the screaming and the shouting.

Would these people be glued to live feed? No.
Are this generation of people interested in old school Big Brother, getting to know these people and see how they cope in an enclosed environment with strangers? No.

It's not a question about them being glued to the live feed. It's the question of the buzz that can be created through watching things unfold live. The fact that you can actually get to know the housemates and care about them.

The show cannot survive with housemates no one cares about, and it's now slow moving format is just a drain. There used to be thread after thread on Digital Spy about what was going on in the house, now there's nothing. Everything about this show is now so slow and laborious it is damn near impossible to give a damn about any of it. The only way they are able to make people care is by relying on housemates we once were able to get to know and did care about.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

It's not a question about them being glued to the live feed. It's the question of the buzz that can be created through watching things unfold live. The fact that you can actually get to know the housemates and care about them.

That can happen without feed.

"AARON FREW EJECTED. HERE IS THE VIDEO."

That's the entire point of their website, they update with the big moments and the updates and the "buzz" worthy events but the small moments are all discarded.

Are these viewers interested in the small moments though, do they really care to "get to know" the housemates in such small ways through a feed? No, they're not.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

It's not a question about them being glued to the live feed. It's the question of the buzz that can be created through watching things unfold live. The fact that you can actually get to know the housemates and care about them.

The show cannot survive with housemates no one cares about, and it's now slow moving format is just a drain. There used to be thread after thread on Digital Spy about what was going on in the house, now there's nothing. Everything about this show is now so slow and laborious it is damn near impossible to give a damn about any of it. The only way they are able to make people care is by relying on housemates we once were able to get to know and did care about.

You are spot on.


But you are fighting a losing battle. The production have decided they must have complete control over everything that goes on in the house and everything that is seen by viewers, so they won't bring live feed back.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No I don't think it would at all. CBB gets a huge audience that doesn't even bother with the civilian version which is long passed its prime.

Evidence in the fact that during its life on channel 5, CBB has INCREASED its viewership compared to civilian which has dropped lower and lower.

Live feed won't change that. The casuals turning away aren't interested in 24/7 feeds. They're just turned off by the general sh*tty production, casting etc.

CBB's ratings look impressive because it gets people that like Celebs watching on top of the Civilian series fans watching too, Civilian series fans won't watch if CBB is the only one on air hence trouble for the series as Ch5 desperately try to save it.

Live Feed will probably mean a better cast too as it will get genuine people to audition.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

CBB's ratings look impressive because it gets people that like Celebs watching on top of the Civilian series fans watching too, Civilian series fans won't watch if CBB is the only one on air hence trouble for the series as Ch5 desperately try to save it.

Live Feed will probably mean a better cast too as it will get genuine people to audition.

The show already gets genuine people auditioning, production decides to cast certain types of people and then cast through agents certain types of people.

There's always genuine people willing to go on, they're just not being selected.

I don't see where you're getting the impression BB fans wouldn't watch CBB anyway?

If what you're saying is true, we'll take the BB viewers and subtract them from the CBB audience, the funny thing is that the CBB rating would STILL be more than double the civilian viewership. That's how unpopular the civilian version now is.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The show already gets genuine people auditioning, production decides to cast certain types of people and then cast through agents certain types of people.

There's always genuine people willing to go on, they're just not being selected.

I don't see where you're getting the impression BB fans wouldn't watch CBB anyway?

If what you're saying is true, we'll take the BB viewers and subtract them from the CBB audience, the funny thing is that the CBB rating would STILL be more than double the civilian viewership. That's how unpopular the civilian version now is.

Not really. The Summer CBB rates poorly compared to January.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Not really. The Summer CBB rates poorly compared to January.

So?

It still rates much higher than the civilian version.

Summer TV across the board rates poorly compared to the winter months when everyone is indoors.

Either way CBB attracts the bigger ratings.

If we're comparing like for like, BB12 aired in the colder months and didn't perform much better than BB15.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So?

It still rates much higher than the civilian version.

Yes and I've told you why. But the highest rated Civilian series was the one with the extra live coverage. It actually got much closer to the CBB figures

Either way CBB attracts the bigger ratings.

If we're comparing like for like, BB12 aired in the colder months and didn't perform much better than BB15.

The launch night of Big Brother 12 was 2.77 million. Had the viewers actually been able to switch on the live coverage and get to know these people from the start, it probably would have hung on to a few more than it did. It was particularly disappointing because the Daily Star and all those involved with Channel 5 had promised that the red button interactive channel would be back.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Yes and I've told you why. But the highest rated Civilian series was the one with the extra live coverage. It actually got much closer to the CBB figures

BB14 had a higher audience because of the extra live coverage?

The same live coverage that had no viewers and was axed 4 weeks in, moved online and they still didn't see fit to bring back for BB15?

I don't think so.

The feed probably helped hang on to some of those die hards who became more engrossed. But the other 90% of the show needs to bring the viewers in first and then the live feed can possibly attract them. Like I said, feed is low on the priority list.