[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kyle

One of the most infamous trophy hunters is a woman.

I'm aware of that but this thread wasn't about her, it was about the guy who shot an elephant.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

You don't win cases in court based on morality. I don't want to come across as overly harsh, but there is a point of principle here. Those suggesting the hunter should be killed etc, are actually in instances like this more in the wrong than the hunter

There are ways to change these things, by changing peoples views, lobbying for protection and getting these things made illegal. Lynch parties are not the solution.

Are you saying that a lawyer should never talk or believe there is such a thing as unfair or unjust laws? laws that are immoral or harmful or morally unfair?

We are bound to get some emotional reactions with a story like this. This sort of story causes extreme anger and distress and those emotions are bound to create some very harsh reactions.

Good samaritans have been lobbying to protect such animals for many years. Charitable organizations have been educating entire colonies of people about the wrongs of the ivory trade and fur trade but these countries are desperately poor, so when some hobnob westerner comes along with more money than they could ever dream imaginable, big game trophies will continue to be slaughtered.

The people we need to educate are the westerners but where do we find them? how do we even know who they are? Naming and shaming seems to be the only tool we presently have.

[Kizzy]

They have money we should let them do what they want? The golden rule eh.... Is that the thinking in this 'civilised society'?

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I'm aware of that but this thread wasn't about her, it was about the guy who shot an elephant.

Yes lets have one at a time


Thanks DR

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes lets have one at a time


Thanks DR

If that's your attempt at sarcasm you should try harder.

This was what I first posted: Its gun totting madness and its is all about his own insecurities. The bigger and rarer and wilder the game, the better he feels about himself.

Men like this are just about as sick as they come.


Yes, I was replying to the initial post and said the word "man" not "men and women"...so shoot me

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

If that's your attempt at sarcasm you should try harder.

This was what I first posted: Its gun totting madness and its is all about his own insecurities. The bigger and rarer and wilder the game, the better he feels about himself.

Men like this are just about as sick as they come.


Yes, I was replying to the initial post and said the word "man" not "men and women"...so shoot me

I don't think that was sarcasm, just agreeing with you about the thread being about the german hunter

[DemolitionRed]

Well if that's the case, my apologies to arista

[bots]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Are you saying that a lawyer should never talk or believe there is such a thing as unfair or unjust laws? laws that are immoral or harmful or morally unfair?

We are bound to get some emotional reactions with a story like this. This sort of story causes extreme anger and distress and those emotions are bound to create some very harsh reactions.

Good samaritans have been lobbying to protect such animals for many years. Charitable organizations have been educating entire colonies of people about the wrongs of the ivory trade and fur trade but these countries are desperately poor, so when some hobnob westerner comes along with more money than they could ever dream imaginable, big game trophies will continue to be slaughtered.

The people we need to educate are the westerners but where do we find them? how do we even know who they are? Naming and shaming seems to be the only tool we presently have.

With respect the views expressed on this thread have been a lot stronger than that. It is from reactions such as these that people take irresponsible actions into their own hands and end up being on the wrong side of the law.

Illegal Lynch mobs are not going to achieve anything.

[Kizzy]

It's just a knee jerk reaction however isn't it? only a fool would attempt to combat mindless violence with more mindless violence.

[Jordan.]

He needs one of the tusks shoving down his throat

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

You don't win cases in court based on morality. I don't want to come across as overly harsh, but there is a point of principle here. Those suggesting the hunter should be killed etc, are actually in instances like this more in the wrong than the hunter

There are ways to change these things, by changing peoples views, lobbying for protection and getting these things made illegal. Lynch parties are not the solution.

I am well aware what wins in court. However, that doesn't mean much in Zimbabwe. I'm not suggesting he be killed, however I would have a Thatcher-style party if he and all his ridiculous mates died.

What do you think organisations like the IFAW have been doing for decades? But money talks... There is no justification for what this man's done, whether you believe it was legal or not.

[Niamh.]

So sad to see such a beautiful animal in a picture like that. He doesn't even look dead. I don't understand the thrill of killing an elephant with a gun like that, where's the bravery in it? Or what's the big achievement there?

[JoshBB]

We need to change the punishment for hunting from fines to short jail sentences - otherwise rich people can just pay the cost to keep doing it. I'm sure a criminal record would serve as a deterrent.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Kyle

One of the most infamous trophy hunters is a woman.

Don't even get me started on this awful excuse for a human being

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

We need to change the punishment for hunting from fines to short jail sentences - otherwise rich people can just pay the cost to keep doing it. I'm sure a criminal record would serve as a deterrent.

Maybe a substantial fine as well to be donated to preserving endangered species

[Livia]

I've said it before... if someone wants to hunt a wild animal, send them out with a spear like the Masai do it. They can keep every animal they kill.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Maybe a substantial fine as well to be donated to preserving endangered species

Perfect.

They don't like that? Solution - don't shoot elephants.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Maybe a substantial fine as well to be donated to preserving endangered species

[user104658]

The elephant was grey and had legs and tusks. A gun which fires bullets was used to murder the elephant and then someone took a photo

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The elephant was grey and had legs and tusks. A gun which fires bullets was used to murder the elephant and then someone took a photo

There is something very disturbing about someone who wants to pose for a photograph with the inedible beast they just killed.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

There is something very disturbing about someone who wants to pose for a photograph with the inedible beast they just killed.

Meat is consumed for the purposes of nourishment.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Was the elephant an endangered species? Was the hunter breaking the law? If the answer to both questions is no, then there is no justification for the outcry toward the hunter. Lobby to get elephants protected, lobby to get hunting banned. It is completely wrong to target people for doing things if they are perfectly legal.

Trash. Who cares if it's legal or not, the elephants whole life was ended because a guy wanted to get some sick sense of pleasure from pulling a trigger and watching it fall down and die. Honestly have no idea what possessed you to try and defend this.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Trash. Who cares if it's legal or not, the elephants whole life was ended because a guy wanted to get some sick sense of pleasure from pulling a trigger and watching it fall down and die. Honestly have no idea what possessed you to try and defend this.

Because if the senseless killing of a specific animal is legal then we're all obliged to agree with it. Apparently.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Trash. Who cares if it's legal or not, the elephants whole life was ended because a guy wanted to get some sick sense of pleasure from pulling a trigger and watching it fall down and die. Honestly have no idea what possessed you to try and defend this.

With respect that is an emotional response not a realistic one. Hunting is a legal sport. I am simply defending someone's legal rights, which quite frankly in the scheme of things is more important. I am not saying that I condone what the hunter did, I am saying he is legally entitled to do what he did. If that is to change, then campaign for it to be made illegal. Don't attack me for defending someone's legal rights

[Ammi]

..just to add to what bitontheslide has said and also touching on what Niamh said about instilling huge fines to preserve species...the governments have already 'offered bids' to hunters for these killings because sadly they are legal and a large part of that is meant to go to the National Parks anyway to help with conversation...(ironic and I would doubt that it does go there with corruption etc..although it may do because National Park Rangers do guide the hunts)....so they can't really then instil huge fines for something that they're not only taken payment for but offered themselves ...the whole thing just sickens me, that someone would actually want to do these things to beautiful animals ...but then there are people enabling them as well....so as bitonthe slide said, the only way will ever be to campaign to make it illegal...