[Marsh.]

[Moosething]

Originally Posted by JackFrost

Bring on the bigotry

Uh no
This is beyond bizarre

[DemolitionRed]

One thing she can be sure of is, she's not alone. It seems there are thousands of them out there. They have their own communities, their own clubs and their own networking groups. Lots of women are doing this too, in fact its more common amongst adult women that it is amongst adult men.

I think bringing something like this into mainstream society isn't ever going to go down well though. People won't understand and can't be expected to understand. At least keeping it within the confines of her own groups, she was assured acceptance.

I remember chatting to a female age player some years ago and asking her why she was like she is. This is a woman who had two different ages plus her adult self, depending on where she was and what mood she was in. She told me that she had a wonderful childhood and considered she had fantastic parents but as she grew up and was expected to join adult society, she found it alien and often a lonely place. She told me, her adult child was just an expression of the happy child within, that for her it was just about re-visiting a place in time when she felt very safe.

[Marsh.]

Age player?

Bloody burn them! BURN THEM ALL!

[Ammi]

..it's funny how we all read the same thing but can have different perspectives of that same thing..when I clicked on this thread/from the title, I fully expected to read something quite weird but found myself feeling how sad it was/yes obviously weird as well but I think she still has a long journey mentally ...I know this is a parent who on the surface and how the story is headlined, has left her family/children for selfish reasons and not someone to have any respect for at all..but from reading an listening to her, she's also someone whose family had and has a complete intolerance of her/of who she really is, which is female...her wife refused to accept her, one of her daughters on inviting her to her wedding, said that she must come as a male, sit at the back and talk to no member of the family...so no acceptance/no tolerance of who her father was..in staying with her family, she would never be able to be who she was because there looks like complete and closed down intolerance...

...as she said, she attempted suicide and at least now, she doesn't have those feeling...even though there are obviously still .mental' things there to address, which I hope that she's able to...would she have got more sympathy or understanding had she succeeded in suicide attempts and taken her life because her environment/family etc prevented her from being who she was, could not accept who she was ..it's hard to say I guess...but yeah, I do feel sympathy and different to how I thought I would when first entering the thread and on hearing her story and listening to her...but as often is the way, we only ever have bite-sized bits of these things to base our perspectives on and I'm sure that her wife and children's story would evoke a different perspective completely...

[Marsh.]

Well, yeah, you're right Ammi, these complex matters do tend to incite so many different interpretations and reactions but I can't see the wife/kids/family as in the wrong in this instance.

He was the one that entered into a relationship with his wife as a fully grown heterosexual man and brought these children into the world. To make them into some kind of enemy that won't allow him to "be who he wants" is utterly selfish to me no matter his own issues. Surely the whole part of being a parent is thinking beyond yourself. It's a kind of deception for him to suddenly say this is who he is after all this time and then blame them for not wanting to deal with it.

When you strip it away from the out of the ordinary "wants to be a 6 year old child" stuff it kind of boils down to the same deadbeat dad territory to me. A dad thinking of himself and not the responsibilities to a (in this case, quite large) family he had a hand in creating. Then when he decides he'd like a part of their lives again, it's only on his own terms and if they accept him. The whole thing really does not sit well with me.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, yeah, you're right Ammi, these complex matters do tend to incite so many different interpretations and reactions but I can't see the wife/kids/family as in the wrong in this instance.

He was the one that entered into a relationship with his wife as a fully grown heterosexual man and brought these children into the world. To make them into some kind of enemy that won't allow him to "be who he wants" is utterly selfish to me no matter his own issues. Surely the whole part of being a parent is thinking beyond yourself. It's a kind of deception for him to suddenly say this is who he is after all this time and then blame them for not wanting to deal with it.

When you strip it away from the out of the ordinary "wants to be a 6 year old child" stuff it kind of boils down to the same deadbeat dad territory to me. A dad thinking of himself and not the responsibilities to a (in this case, quite large) family he had a hand in creating. Then when he decides he'd like a part of their lives again, it's only on his own terms and if they accept him. The whole thing really does not sit well with me.

...don't worry, I annoy myself sometimes..(most of the time..)..and I certainly annoy my family/friends because I overthink things so much and your thought process, which is a perfectly good one, could be the right and only one to think about with this..?..because, it's based on fact and the fact that the children have been left without a parent because of that's parent's choices...I guess that mine is more based on, possibilities of there not being any choices or her feelings of there not being any choices through her life because she knew that who she was would never be accepted and so at one point, tried to take her own life in her unhappiness...that also would have resulted in her children losing their parent but there would have been an unhappy life lost as well, at least this way, she has a chance of some happiness in her future...but the result to them is the same, they've lost a parent...what value though, is an unhappy parent, someone who is not living as who they are, something that would never have been accepted in choosing a life with her family as an alternative..would she have added to their lives in any way that would have meant something positive to them..?..these are all things that we don't know, so hypothetical really and your thoughts are based on what is from the perspective of her family so I totally respect those thoughts...and we only go on our own life experiences as well and mine are through working in schools for many years, and experiencing knowledge of many complicated family situations etc..

..I just don't know with this one tbh Marsh...you read, a parent has left their family...I read someone who has lived their life or tried to within an environment of intolerance and that in itself would make them never be able to be the parent that their children needed...the same story, many truths but just different focuses of the words and story really...

[Ammi]

..what I will say and just picking up on a previous post from Josh I think it was...?...with the 'no compassion'..?..I think that you have much compassion, Marsh...you very much have compassion and great thought for this family, which is very, very admirable...

[kirklancaster]

Can there EVER be a legitimate EXCUSE for any parent to abandon their partners and children in order for that parent to pursue his/her own selfish interests?

No.

Can there be deep-seated psychological REASONS which are behind a parent's abandonment of his/her family to go off in pursuit of their own selfish interests or desires?

YES.

In which case that parent needs psychological help.

In these types of cases however, I still find it very suspicious:

a) that this 'need' to swap 'gender' always seems to become the most potent and no longer 'containable' when the unfortunate reaches veritable 'old age'.

b) These types of unfortunates are so vulnerable and intimidated by a cruel non-understanding world, that they immediately leap in front of media cameras and microphones to publicise their predicament.

c) All the - predictable - sympathy from certain 'P.C' lovers of '-Ism's', always seems to be for the 'unfortunates' and NOT for their poor children and partners and relatives.

I once pissed myself when I saw an old monochrome photo of the abhorrent bastard, J.Edgar Hoover, dressed in female clothing with silk stockings and suspenders, blonde wig, and full 'Whatever Happened To Baby Jane' O.T.T. make-up, and I confess that my first reaction when I saw this photograph of this 'unfortunate' was no different, because it is so utterly ludicrous.

I have a very long PROVABLE history of campaigning for Gay Rights - when Gays WERE violently and abhorrently discriminated against - and I have not got one 'Homophobic' bone in my body, but if my tendency to regard this particular case as being more of a 'sicko' needing desperate professional help than any 'Transgender' or whatever issue, causes anyone to pin that particular label on me, then go ahead.

I admit to being baffled by this.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, yeah, you're right Ammi, these complex matters do tend to incite so many different interpretations and reactions but I can't see the wife/kids/family as in the wrong in this instance.

He was the one that entered into a relationship with his wife as a fully grown heterosexual man and brought these children into the world. To make them into some kind of enemy that won't allow him to "be who he wants" is utterly selfish to me no matter his own issues. Surely the whole part of being a parent is thinking beyond yourself. It's a kind of deception for him to suddenly say this is who he is after all this time and then blame them for not wanting to deal with it.

When you strip it away from the out of the ordinary "wants to be a 6 year old child" stuff it kind of boils down to the same deadbeat dad territory to me. A dad thinking of himself and not the responsibilities to a (in this case, quite large) family he had a hand in creating. Then when he decides he'd like a part of their lives again, it's only on his own terms and if they accept him. The whole thing really does not sit well with me.

Yep I absolutely agree with that, how would it be any different from a 46 year old man with a wife and 7 kids who suddenly decides he wants to be 20 years old again and single and start dating 19 year old girls? Should his family accept that because that's who he wants to be now?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

Yep I absolutely agree with that, how would it be any different from a 46 year old man with a wife and 7 kids who suddenly decides he wants to be 20 years old again and single and start dating 19 year old girls? Should his family accept that because that's who he wants to be now?

A VERY good point.
That's why I said when you take away the unusual "6 year old girl" angle, he's just another man dropping his responsibilities as he fancies going doing something else for his own pleasures/gains.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..what I will say and just picking up on a previous post from Josh I think it was...?...with the 'no compassion'..?..I think that you have much compassion, Marsh...you very much have compassion and great thought for this family, which is very, very admirable...

Thank you.

I don't know. Maybe it's our personal experience which dictate what side of the story we might gravitate towards. Having seen the effects from the pain and selfishness of dads walking out on their family it's ruling the direction of my compassion in this particular case.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

Hardly bigotry for people to think it's weird as **** for a man in his late 40's to say he wants to be identified as a 6 year old Jack, come on lol we'd all love to be younger, is he going to enroll in primary school? I wouldn't want my child in his class

I honestly feel its got to the point where we should just accept without question that someone identifies as a ****ing unicorn or a mermaid or something. Thats really how it seems these days.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I honestly feel its got to the point where we should just accept without question that someone identifies as a ****ing unicorn or a mermaid or something. Thats really how it seems these days.

Exactly. The world has officially gone beyond crazy.

[Ashley.]

People need to stop labelling people as transphobic or bigots, he's abandoned his family because "oh I don't feel like being an adult right now", the bastard should grow up and take some responsibility, I'm sorry but it's pathetic.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

Yep I absolutely agree with that, how would it be any different from a 46 year old man with a wife and 7 kids who suddenly decides he wants to be 20 years old again and single and start dating 19 year old girls? Should his family accept that because that's who he wants to be now?

Originally Posted by Ashley in Wonderland

People need to stop labelling people as transphobic or bigots, he's abandoned his family because "oh I don't feel like being an adult right now", the bastard should grow up and take some responsibility, I'm sorry but it's pathetic.

So much truth...

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I honestly feel its got to the point where we should just accept without question that someone identifies as a ****ing unicorn or a mermaid or something. Thats really how it seems these days.

Some of my best friends are unicorns

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I honestly feel its got to the point where we should just accept without question that someone identifies as a ****ing unicorn or a mermaid or something. Thats really how it seems these days.

Youtube video

[Kyle]

She's had one hell of a paper round that girl.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I honestly feel its got to the point where we should just accept without question that someone identifies as a ****ing unicorn or a mermaid or something. Thats really how it seems these days.

The otherkins on tumblr.....

-smh-

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lily.

The otherkins on tumblr.....

-smh-

I just googled that word and I may never go to sleep again.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Ashley in Wonderland

People need to stop labelling people as transphobic or bigots, he's abandoned his family because "oh I don't feel like being an adult right now", the bastard should grow up and take some responsibility, I'm sorry but it's pathetic.

I don't think most people are defending him specifically, just defending other trans people. I agree, there is never a good reason to abandon your children. There's nothing wrong being trans AND a parent.

That whole otherkin **** is just... ugh.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I just googled that word and I may never go to sleep again.

Tumblr has them all..