[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I'm not on either side, they're both idiots but as Kaz said Gemma needs to butt out, since when did she become the wise old woman of the house, i don't condone cheating, but Stephanie is a grown up and can make her own decisions, and she will be the one who has to face the reality of her decision when she comes out.

My thoughts exactly,affairs of the heart are hurtful enough without busybodies interfering,Steph is the one who will have to face the consequences,gemma needs clean her own doorstep before trying to clean others.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

My thoughts exactly,affairs of the heart are hurtful enough without busybodies interfering,Steph is the one who will have to face the consequences,gemma needs clean her own doorstep before trying to clean others.

I think Gemma interferes because she knows they're getting airtime and she wants a piece of it!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I think Gemma interferes because she knows they're getting airtime and she wants a piece of it!

Yes,she hates missing any action doesn't she ?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I think Gemma interferes because she knows they're getting airtime and she wants a piece of it!

..I'm not sure it's that Ruby, Gemma has been trying to push a romance in the house from almost the first night...and if she had succeeded then she would know, that would take up air-time...I do believe her when she says that she loves romance/is a romantic...it's interesting how David was the one to talk to Steph and Jeremy first a few days or so ago and I thought that he did it in a great way, by just offering his advice and saying things like...'if you want a hug, come hug me instead..because that would be ok but this is hurting people..'..just all a very positive/calm way and a way that Steph didn't feel so judged and attacked... I'm not keen on Steph at all and I can't imagine what it must be like to be a partner of someone who goes into BB and then they develop a relationship with another housemate and have to watch that...being cheated on is bad enough/that worthless feeling, being a private thing but having that as well..?...I think though that them all judging her and confronting her in the way they did was all kinds of wrong...(and like, they're all so incredibly perfect themselves anyway..)...it's definitely a 'pack mentality' house, all stirring each other up (well many of them..)...and then one 'accusing' because they know that they're going to be 'backed up' ....I did feel a little sorry for Steph I have to say, she and Daniella have known each other outside the house and Steph would feel a bond there and then be shocked and sad that Daniella had made such a personal and actually really comment....that was so, so shabby of Daniella...and then I think that she only joined in to deflect from her own guilt because she knew she had been in the wrong and behaved so badly...

[Ammi]

..also what Steph had to face there was so much judgement by many of them while Jeremy got none, in fact much of their judgement was in 'concern for Jeremy the victim'...she may be the one who had a boyfriend but he's been well aware of that from the beginning, has said he didn't want anything romantic etc etc and then he allowed the kissing to happen because poor defenceless Jeremy, what's a guy to do...pfffttt...he may not have a partner himself but is equally contributing to the hurt of Sam...

[Ammi]

..if it had been the other way round and he had been the one with the partner..?...it would still maybe have been Steph's fault because 'home-wrecker'/guy stealer/evil woman etc..../always the female, when two people are at fault...

[Ammi]

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[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..if it had been the other way round and he had been the one with the partner..?...it would still maybe have been Steph's fault because 'home-wrecker'/guy stealer/evil woman etc..../always the female, when two people are at fault...

There's always been double standards where male/female relationships have been involved, and for some reason the woman always comes off the slut and the man a hero, but i do think in this case if big brother is to be viewed as a social experiment (insert laughter here!) then Steph should be allowed to play out her role as cheater and deal with the consequences when she leaves, after all isn't what she doing classed as normal behaviour in an intense situation (thousands upon thousands of people cheat everyday on their loved ones), it doesn't make it right, maybe the conflict she has shown is genuine, some people do say they love 2 people at once, but Gemma does my head in constantly meddling, even trying to orchestrate love still lets her have a part in that relationship, she should sort herself out and stop trying to have a part in everyone elses storyline, but then if she didn't have a part in everyone elses storyline what would her story line be????

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

There's always been double standards where male/female relationships have been involved, and for some reason the woman always comes off the slut and the man a hero, but i do think in this case if big brother is to be viewed as a social experiment (insert laughter here!) then Steph should be allowed to play out her role as cheater and deal with the consequences when she leaves, after all isn't what she doing classed as normal behaviour in an intense situation (thousands upon thousands of people cheat everyday on their loved ones), it doesn't make it right, maybe the conflict she has shown is genuine, some people do say they love 2 people at once, but Gemma does my head in constantly meddling, even trying to orchestrate love still lets her have a part in that relationship, she should sort herself out and stop trying to have a part in everyone elses storyline, but then if she didn't have a part in everyone elses storyline what would her story line be????

..yeah, she is a bit of a meddler Ruby and annoys me as well and she doesn't handle situations well, even if she does judge, it's how she does it in such 'escalating' ways which have caused so much negativity in the house...(also ever so slightly ironic and hypocritical..)..because the hostilities with John../weren't they caused because she felt that John was casting judgement on Darren and 'what was bad for him'..so is this not quite similar in her judgement of Steph...?...don't judge what's best for Darren please, he can smoke if he wants to, it's not for you to say...don't judge Steph please, she can mess up her relationship if she wants to, it's not for you to say...