[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well it's hard to believe that there wasn't reasonable doubt there, that's for sure

Agree. The entire Police department lied at some point in the trial.

Was the mysterious 'calling in' of the license plate ever explained?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Agree. The entire Police department lied at some point in the trial.

Was the mysterious 'calling in' of the license plate ever explained?

I don't think so, Josy said that he just said "he didn't recall" and that was that

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think so, Josy said that he just said "he didn't recall" and that was that

The whole department should take early retirement.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

The whole department should take early retirement.

Yeah, that licence plate call was thing that stuck out in my mind the most about Steves case just after I finished watching the series too

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, that licence plate call was thing that stuck out in my mind the most about Steves case just after I finished watching the series too

Its why I like the conspiracy theory that Avery was framed by two groups of people. I dont think that theory is true but it does explain everything we see in the film.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Its why I like the conspiracy theory that Avery was framed by two groups of people. I dont think that theory is true but it does explain everything we see in the film.

I know it really does, you never know, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction

The only thing about that theory though is what could the ex boyfriend and brother have been erasing from her voice mails

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Was the mysterious 'calling in' of the license plate ever explained?

My theory is that the car was first discovered before they had a warrant to seach the property. If they had admitted that, the car wouldn't be able to be used as evidence in court at all (and they used it quite heavily).

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My theory is that the car was first discovered before they had a warrant to seach the property. If they had admitted that, the car wouldn't be able to be used as evidence in court at all (and they used it quite heavily).

So even f that whole theory isn't true, certainly the first part about the brother and the ex finding the car could very well be. Infact I'm pretty convinced that it is

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My theory is that the car was first discovered before they had a warrant to seach the property. If they had admitted that, the car wouldn't be able to be used as evidence in court at all (and they used it quite heavily).

This makes sense. The call was definitely a breech of protocol but they needed the car to make their case against Avery.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So even f that whole theory isn't true, certainly the first part about the brother and the ex finding the car could very well be. Infact I'm pretty convinced that it is

That explains their shifty behaviour when we first see them.

[Ammi]

..I've only just started to look some of this up after watching the series and obviously a lot of these sites and 'theories' seem to be so conflicting from what's being posted...anyway, this is one site I found...(sorry if it's been posted before but I'm googling myself, rather than look at other kinks atm..)...

http://stevenaveryinnocent.com/2016/...-glossed-over/



..anyways, just a few of the 'highlights' that we weren't told..(and don't know if true..)...

The criminal complaint contended that authorities “located items of restraints within Steven Avery’s residence including hand cuffs and leg irons.”

According to a lengthy Milwaukee Magazine story from May 1, 2006, Avery admitted they were his, stating of the handcuffs and leg irons, “I bought them. I wanted to try out something different with Jodi (his girlfriend).”

Of course, it’s also very curious that Halbach’s DNA didn’t turn up on these handcuffs and leg irons if they were used to restrain her.




The Netflix documentary paints the romance of Jodi and Steven as a positive one. It may have been in some ways, but there were also some problems.

According to the Milwaukee magazine story, “In September 2004, sheriff deputies arrested Avery for violating a disorderly conduct ordinance after an altercation with (Jodi) Stachowski. The court ordered him to stay away from the woman for 72 hours and pay a fine of $243.”



The Milwaukee Magazine article further stated that, “On February 27, Dassey’s mother spoke with police investigators. Barbara Janda, 41, mentioned that her son had stained his pants while helping his uncle clean his garage floor around Halloween.” Also, according to the Department of Justice investigator’s testimony in Dassey’s trial, Dassey’s pants had bleach stains that he said were from helping clean the garage, transcripts say.





According to an Appleton Post Crescent article from March 9, 2006, “While he was in prison, Steven Avery planned the torture and killing of a young woman, new documents released Wednesday indicate. The allegations are included in 22 pages of court documents accompanying additional charges filed by Calumet County Dist. Atty. Ken Kratz. … Kratz also included in Wednesday’s filings statements from prisoners who served time with Avery at Green Bay Correctional Institution. They said Avery talked about and showed them diagrams of a torture chamber he planned to build when he was released.”

Furthermore, reported the newspaper, “The filings also include statements from a woman, now 41, who said she was raped by Avery, who told her ‘if she yelled or screamed there was going to be trouble.’ There also is an affidavit from a girl who said she was raped by Avery. ‘The victim’s mother indicated that the victim does not want to speak about the sexual assault between her and Steven Avery because Steven Avery told her if she ‘told anyone about their activities together he would kill her family,'” the filing said. According to the newspaper article, “The affidavit said Avery admitted to his fiancee that he had sexually assaulted the girl.”



Avery gave a false name when he called Auto Trader

[MTVN]

Interesting reading about a book which has just come out here about Avery, I saw it in the shops the other day and presumed it was going to be defending Avery because it's called 'The Innocent Killer' but apparently the guy who wrote it actually argues that he is guilty and that the trial was fair, even defends Lenk and Colburn:

Contrary to the insinuations of Making a Murderer, Mr Griesbach calls Lenk and Colburn “two of the most ethical cops I’ve ever worked with”. He added: “I can see why people think evidence was planted, but I don’t believe they did it. Should they have been searching Steven Avery’s home? Absolutely not. But I don’t think it was malice on their part, I think it was just poor judgement.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6856546.html

[Drew.]

I'm pretty uncertain on most things about this and have my own theories as to what happened but the one thing i'm almost certain on more than anything is that Lenk and Colburn planted evidence and set Avery up along the way.

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

The Milwaukee Magazine article further stated that, “On February 27, Dassey’s mother spoke with police investigators. Barbara Janda, 41, mentioned that her son had stained his pants while helping his uncle clean his garage floor around Halloween.” Also, according to the Department of Justice investigator’s testimony in Dassey’s trial, Dassey’s pants had bleach stains that he said were from helping clean the garage, transcripts say.

Haven't seen this before. But i'm sure i read somewhere that had they cleaned the garage it still would have been a near impossible task to clean away all the blood that would have spread around the place. Just from the way Brendan comes across, i can't imagine him being calm and relaxed enough to do such a thorough job

[Josy]

I want to know how they managed to clean the garage then put the dust back because that is some real ninja ****.

[Josy]

Averys new lawyer was.in Manitowoc this week with a forensic team to redo some up to date luminol testing.

There's also some rumours of a new suspect and that they were actually Theresas last stop that day, and the guys grandson who is in jail atm has asked to speak to the lawyer about what really happened.

If you Google zipperers there's quite a few theories

[Drew.]

I live for the day Brendan gets released after being found innocent and collects his $10 million dollars because of it.

[DemolitionRed]

I've just watched the first two and need to do some catching up before I can properly comment. So far its a police set up but I need to watch the rest.

[Cal.]

OMG @ the end of the episode 5. Colburn (?) clearly knew what car it was 2 days before the car was found.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

OMG @ the end of the episode 5. Colburn (?) clearly knew what car it was 2 days before the car was found.

That always bother me and it was never explained why he called it in.

[MTVN]

Seen some people mention that Colburn specified whether it was a 1999 Toyota which is something that you wouldn't know just by looking at the car so he could have been making the call just to verify some information he had seen or been told about

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Seen some people mention that Colburn specified whether it was a 1999 Toyota which is something that you wouldn't know just by looking at the car so he could have been making the call just to verify some information he had seen or been told about

This would be believable if he didn't look utter terrified after it was brought up. He knew he'd ****ed up.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

This would be believable if he didn't look utter terrified after it was brought up. He knew he'd ****ed up.

True but then just the fact that he knows how it would look could make him terrified especially in that situation where its clear that the defence is implying you've been framing someone

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

True but then just the fact that he knows how it would look could make him terrified especially in that situation where its clear that the defence is implying you've been framing someone

Yeah that's true.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Seen some people mention that Colburn specified whether it was a 1999 Toyota which is something that you wouldn't know just by looking at the car so he could have been making the call just to verify some information he had seen or been told about

Why wouldn't he just say that, though?

Also, I don't know how regarding plates work in the US, but is there really nothing that identifies the year? You'd know in the UK straight away, unless it had a private plate.