[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mokka

And yet... you are speculating as much as all the rest is speculation. It's all speculation... I just believe in innocence until proven guilty... and there is no proof of guilt in any of these scenarios.

Well yes I said it's all just speculation, but then, I also said earlier that I don't think it matters. Whether she was abducted or fell and hit her head and died, the outcome is the same, and the fact that they were negligent remains.

If anything, I really *want* to believe that she died quickly in an accident that was covered up. The alternative is horrendous.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

You would probably still care about your other children. An innocent person ignoring legal advise knowing that it would likely lead to them being prosecuted and losing their children makes no sense whatsoever. Are people forgetting they still had other kids to look after? Of course legal advice would be sought.

And I think some people seem to be under the misconception that these questions would somehow result in Madeline being found, and by not answering them, they were hindering the search. But this isn't true, the questions were designed to incriminate the McCanns. Answering them would only have led to the discovery of Madeline's whereabouts, had the McCanns been guilty. So under the presumption that they were innocent, and knowing that they had two other children, their actions in this scenario makes perfect sense.

..great post Jamie..whether it be 28/38/68 questions or whatever the number, legal advice would have said not to answer certain things, because we all know that the police are the 'enemy' in things like this and the only 'friend' is legal council and their advice...I think it would be an instinct for anyone and any parent to answer every question with honesty and assume that no guilt would be found if there was innocence/that innocent people don't get charged or convicted etc... but we all know that isn't true..and at times when their heads would have been in total chaos and they may have wanted to answer everything, that's where a legal advisor is needed because they have that clar head and experience to know that 'possibly incriminating' does not mean guilt but could lead to miscarriages of justice in the quest for wanting answers/a case solved and all neatly wrapped up, type thing....


...anyways (imo)...the worst parental judgement that night, I mean really...and then on top of that, the media images of Kate not looking like a 'stereotypical' distraught parent, whatever a stereotypical distraught parent is meant to look like because that would be different for every person...their holiday images of loving, devoted parents being overlooked in the images of Kate after Madeine's disappearance and the close scrutiny there...no evidence of being shocking parents beforehand and to my knowledge, none with the twins since...but in Portugal on that holiday, well...what on earth...

..this has often been compared to the disappearance of Ben Needham but there was a completely different public perspective with that..(obviously cases are not directly comparable in the details of..)..of Ben's mum more 'fulfilling' of the 'stereotypical mother in pain and despair'...something which gains the empathy/support of a public and something which Kate never had really, she was so much publicly judged for her actions after Madeleine's disappearance, obviously led by the media with that...and from then on in, I personally think that judgement and speculation was written in stone, nothing she would have done/said etc would have been viewed in anything other than a negative...

..she didn't answer questions but in answering those questions...(and assuming innocence until proven otherwise..)..those questions, if answered would not have made any difference to discovering what happened to Madeleine...but at the worst for instance, those answers could have meant two other children losing their mother to prison/to a wrongful imprisonment just adding to the initial tragedy of it all...or both parents, even...as well as never knowing their sister all of these years, they could have lost so much more../just so many wrongs could have been layered on and on...and yes, I am assuming innocence in terms of Madeleine disappearing because in 9 years, nothing else has been proved to charges having been made to be brought to trial...did their actions that night, lead directly to../of course, Madeleine had to be alone and what parent would ever....but 9 years on, they're still 'imprisoned' because of that, they no doubt will be for the rest of their lives...their own self imprisoned and totally deserved..?...ok, but the twins also will spend the rest of their lives, not only with probably never knowing their sister, but with having the full public suspicions of their mum and dad/the parents they love, having harmed her in some way/on top of their parent's extreme bad parenting those evening....it's something that they've been 'sentenced to as well'...


..(this is probably a bit garbled because I'm in a rush for work..)...


...just to add though, not only are the McCann's, self imprisoned for the rest of their lives for their unbelievable choices/decisions in Portugal, 9 years ago...but as devoted Catholics (I believe..)...they will also know that they will have to answer to their God, in their beliefs so if they did harm Madeline in any way...they full well know that they haven't 'got away' with anything....

[Ammi]

..this is a general public comment from a site on Kate and Gerry...

Would any real parents of a recently abducted child be smiling and laughing so much less than two week's later, cause no matter how much stress training anyone's had in their career's, emotional trauma's just isn't the same thing as work related stress, so someone's got their psychology totally out of line here, the McCann's are looking more like they've won the flippin lottery, and revelling in the attention they're getting...they look more and more psychotically disturbed the more I see them, they're just not real, they're behaviour is like paid actor's than of parents of an abducted child, that's probably why they've published photos of Madeleine made up of different kids parts, including their own photos, like the one of Kate aged 5 year's old in her red dress with her hair tied back, as if no one would recognise her... how pathetic!


...well, whatever the inclination to believe, the flipping over of that would be...'would any real parents of a recently abducted child, in full knowledge of themselves having a part in that 'abduction'..and two intelligent people, be laughing and smiling so much, within weeks of the disappearance..'...that wouldn't make sense to be true, to me...the 'stereotypical grief' would have very much been apparent...in my observations/and generalising, the 'obvious guilty parent' is most often the one 'endlessly and publicly crying with grief', straight after the disappearance...

[Beso]

their Catholicism is a pointer for me.

[Kazanne]

There were also babysitting services available,surely a responsible parent would use it if they needed to go out that badly and why didn't they use it ?

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

There were also babysitting services available,surely a responsible parent would use it if they needed to go out that badly and why didn't they use it ?

Hi Kaz
Do you or anyone know if they took a lie detector test cos that would help to sort it out.

[Kizzy]

Yes you can't trust the police, but you can always call on a catholic priest when your kids go missing :/

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Hi Kaz
Do you or anyone know if they took a lie detector test cos that would help to sort it out.

They never took one Johnny.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

They never took one Johnny.

Thanks,
Well that makes no sense at all Kaz. Any parent would want to quash any reports of it being them involved and would quickly ask to take that test to simply put a stop to that kind of speculation. They are not doing themselves any favours by refusing to take a lie detector test are they?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Thanks,
Well that makes no sense at all Kaz. Any parent would want to quash any reports of it being them involved and would quickly ask to take that test to simply put a stop to that kind of speculation. They are not doing themselves any favours by refusing to take a lie detector test are they?

No they are not,but they do seem quite akward about things and have been from the start,maybe why so many are suspicious of them.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No they are not,but they do seem quite akward about things and have been from the start,maybe why so many are suspicious of them.

I agree,something just does not add up.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well yes I said it's all just speculation, but then, I also said earlier that I don't think it matters. Whether she was abducted or fell and hit her head and died, the outcome is the same, and the fact that they were negligent remains.

If anything, I really *want* to believe that she died quickly in an accident that was covered up. The alternative is horrendous.

Yeah, pretty much

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

their Catholicism is a pointer for me.

A pointer of what?

[chuff me dizzy]

Im sure everyone knows my views on this farce by now,so I wont go back over them as I prefer staying in my groups that are fighting for the truth to finally be heard,but I wanted to share these amazing videos with you ,take the time to watch all 4 ,and hopefully you can educate yourself as to the facts not what the red tops ram down our necks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZV9...EPLmTe2odeo2Tl

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Im sure everyone knows my views on this farce by now,so I wont go back over them as I prefer staying in my groups that are fighting for the truth to finally be heard,but I wanted to share these amazing videos with you ,take the time to watch all 4 ,and hopefully you can educate yourself as to the facts not what the red tops ram down our necks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZV9...EPLmTe2odeo2Tl

Thanks Chuff,I will definitely watch them all,interesting stuff

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Thanks Chuff,I will definitely watch them all,interesting stuff

So much better than reading the Sun lies

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Exactly, Cherie,whatever happened to that child started with sheer neglect from her parents.

Kaz don't fall for that lie, neglect is McCanns alibi,without claiming they neglected the children they couldn't claim Maddie had been abducted,Every night of the holiday one adult was "ill" so this person was the babysitter, the twins were not even in 5a on the 3rd May,the night the alibi was made ....Maddie died days before we even knew her name

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Kaz don't fall for that lie, neglect is McCanns alibi,without claiming they neglected the children they couldn't claim Maddie had been abducted,Every night of the holiday one adult was "ill" so this person was the babysitter, the twins were not even in 5a on the 3rd May,the night the alibi was made ....Maddie died days before we even knew her name

Is there any evidence for that theory?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Is there any evidence for that theory?

I'm going to jump in here and say definitively: NO.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Is there any evidence for that theory?

Have you watched the videos i posted? if you had and had dug deep into the case,you will find plenty of evidence to back my claim ,don't accept.....search

[Livia]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Have you watched the videos i posted? if you had and had dug deep into the case,you will find plenty of evidence to back my claim ,don't accept.....search

You are a loss to the legal profession.

Or.... not.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

You are a loss to the legal profession.

Or.... not.

The "legal profession " you wish you were in Miss Marples ?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i am going to hazard a guess they did not think that a paedophile murder was in the vicinity


in the same way that families let their children walk to school like Milly Dowler's family did, sadly

There's no evidence of such a person you know, just as much as there's no evidence that the parents were involved.

How would you feel about a parent letting their 2 year old twins and 4 year old walk to school alone as a matter of interest?

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Have you watched the videos i posted? if you had and had dug deep into the case,you will find plenty of evidence to back my claim ,don't accept.....search

4 hours of unfounded conspiracy theories? No I haven't. I'm sure they're entertaining but looking at the facts of the case objectively, without them being presented with an agenda, there isn't any actual evidence of what you're suggesting. Suspicions are one thing but suspicious behavior does not equal child murderer.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

4 hours of unfounded conspiracy theories? No I haven't. I'm sure they're entertaining but looking at the facts of the case objectively, without them being presented with an agenda, there isn't any actual evidence of what you're suggesting. Suspicions are one thing but suspicious behavior does not equal child murderer.

Believe what you want to believe, Im past caring to be honest