[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Whilst I have a lot of respect for you Joey and whilst I support many of the things you support, to write another post explaining why we shouldn't be worried about something so fundamentally important and then finishing that post with a bolded "we will all have to wait and see", just feels like an attempt to belittle such an important subject.

That's fine ... debate over!

Hey, now just a minute here, I do not belittle anything.

How can a deal not yet finalised, not negotiated fully and not agreed which needs to be put eventually to all the EU nations not have to have the consideration of a wait and see,This may yet turn out to be something 'possibly' really beneficial to the UK in the end.

If all I have to do to debate is agree with you and others then sorry that is not debating but I still fail to see how proposals, and not finalised deals, can have anything other than a wait and see approach to be fair to all negotiating sides.

We will for sure need the USA more if we leave and sorry but I am not one of those anywhere in the UK who is a USA basher,I believe they often do have the UKs best interests in mind.
No one gets everything right which is why these talks and negotiations on TTIP were expected to be finalised in 2014 but now have no expectation of that until 2019 or even 2020.

Clearly loads of detail still be rejected,included and worked out.
Until I see that final presentation and finalised deal that is going to be put to the EU member Nations, that is when I will judge it, not on speculation and proposals stages only.

Fine however, debate over but sorry, I still think I am as right in my thinking as you think you are in yours too, but certainly as you wish,debating over with you then..