Originally Posted by joeysteele
The hypocrisy of the likes of Boris Johnson is unbelievable, for the out organisations had this president even indicated that the UK would be okay out of the EU as to securing other deals with other Nations including the USA,
They would be yelling from the rooftops, even the President of the USA thinks we could be better out of the EU.
They would have no problem with his stance in that scenario, as indeed although I am for in, I would not either.
- That's not hypocrisy. They are arguing Obama is wrong, he and usa are total hypocites as theyd never cede an inch of their own sovereignty to anyone. obamas horrific threat to effectively put uk to the back of the queue in trade deals exposed him as a corporate lackey like Hilary clinton
The EU has been good for the UK as to security and working together on many issues that are considered global,things like working together on climate change issues too.
- There has been no fall in pollution? Why are the eu supported corporations to take over and build massive out of town retail parks across every town in Europe with no train network thus forcing people back into cars and polluting the environment even more? yes yet more hypocrisy duly ignored by the corporate news. why? because theyre all in bed together
Its directives as to social policy which we eventually signed up to have helped the lowest paid and helped strongly as to health and safety and workers rights.
Not all perfect but most have been pretty good additions to the UK social structure.
health and safety has destroyed sme's and given the corporations an even bigger monopoly and of course we are less safe and less healthy. its also a smart way to slap massive stealth taxes and fees and fines on the masses to fund the EU politicians
Also a fact after all the decades of being in the EEC and then signing up too to the EU as it is now, the UK has remained the successful Nation it has been from the 80s onwards,working together when needed and being able to combat difficulties as to the recession and the unexpected and worst crisis for many a generation when the global financial crisis hit in 2007/8.
lol the Only reason we survived is keeping out of the euro....most other eu nations have hit massive financial collapses or gone bankrupt
We are successful in the EU, that is the simple fact that needs to be taken on board, now really it is the out organisations who are calling for change, it is for them to guarantee the UK can hold that success it already has in the EU, if it leaves, not vice versa.
the EU is a disaster, that is what you need to take on board. the monetary policy is dictated by 1 country on ther other 30. that 1 nation does well the rest fall apart. 48% youth unemployment ? thank God we kept the pound.
The UK should be able to be guaranteed before it makes any change on this scale for its future,that the out side has done all its homework, and knows for certain what can be in place after we leave.
eh? no one knows for certain what is in place for years to come. look at osbournes endless missed targets. its simple though save ourselves billions on this corrupt back scratching unaccountable unelected unaccounted wasteful roll over to corporations and run our own affairs....our own laws and our own tariffs and we can react quicker and more efficiently to our own needs and affairs. that is a recipe for way more success....rathr than run every single thing past 500 million and 30 nations every time we want to change a light bulb
Otherwise we take the UK down a road of uncertainty for possibly years, even to just get any new deal with the EU, never mind anywhere else..
Really, are the out expecting anyone to believe that likely years of uncertainty are not going to hit the UKs economy, stability and investment from other Nations
Years of uncertainty lol more scaremongering. wed have years of certainty where we could and would make our own decisions specific to our own problems. just like Switzerland, just like the usa, Canada, Australia, japan, new Zealand etc etc and all the other most successful nations
Of course it must, unless they have a blueprint they can present to voters with all the names of Nations and their leaders who are saying yes the UK can do great with us out of the EU.
why would we want other leaders of other nations to decide what happens to the uk? its our nation? bizarre....do we ask our neighbours to run our affairs? I ask the own of a business in other countries what I should do with my own business?
So we are a successful Nation in the EU, have been since we joined and remain so,that is a fact.
no its not weve been up and down, we only survived better due to the pound , good education and some intelligence too
Now the 'out' organisations being the ones who want to change all that, have to tell the voters all the facts they have, and any/the support from around the world for their position,and from any of the major organisations around the World from financial institutions to even the likes of NATO.
That is 'if' they have any of note at all.
wed still be part of the un and nato g8 oecd and endless other worldwide organizations for green energy, climate change, human rights, animals rights etc that do infinitely more than the EU on all these matters
They are the ones that have to remove the only thing that is evident in this campaign, which is that the only thing 'certain' about leaving is there is a likely long period of endless uncertainties as to the UKS future.
the certainties are greater. and the benefits are greater, freedoms will come back including our own decision making process
The EU has been good for the UK in that no matter what has been thrown at Europe, the rest of the world and the UK,in the EU the UK has been, is and remains now a successful Nation.
you've repeated this non sentence 6 times and it still means nothing. we are successful because of the intelligence hard work ingenuity of the british people not a bunch of corrupt wasteful unelected politicians in brussells
In light of what Obama has said and what other major World leaders have indicated too,it is the 'out' side who have to tell the voters the truth and not distort figures, as on the £350million poster which is misleading as has been said.
its not misleading we are putting in billions more than we take out, fact.
I repeat again, either they cannot say the UK will be as successful or better out of the EU because they have no other major Nation or institution to back up that argument.
yes you repeat for the 7th time a line which is untrue and meaningless
Or they 'will not', which for me is more dangerous and likely means they indeed know too, that things will be a lot harder and less successful for the UK out than in and will not say so.
were way better off out. freedom to recruit the doctors and nurses and people outside the eu, our own deals, run and live by our own laws, raise tariffs as and when we need to, this is how successful economies work
That is what is unfolding around the World from Countries leaders and all other institutions,that the UK will have a harder road.
Obama has stated clearly how he sees it and where his Nations priorities will lie, he is now backed by Hilary Clinton his likely successor.
Hillary lol another corporate lackey whose entire political career is funded by massive corporations and who pay her $250,000 per speech to repeat the same speech lol
As a friend to the UK he has laid it on the line which is far more than the 'out' organisations have done so far by only spouting anti EU rhetoric and selective statistics and figures,of which one has been stated as being misleading by a statistics office.
no as a friend to corporate America he has threatened to blackmail british voters unless we give in to TTIP , THE EU and corporate takeovers
The ones calling for change, have to be the ones to prove things 'can and will' be sustained,they should really be able to say with substantiated evidence it will be bettered as to the UK remaining successful out.
The corporations control the news and the financial institutions, they control the figures. clearly they corrupt them at will. taking long term unemployed off the benefits in America and off the statistics for unemployment. the out campaign are heroes fighting this enormous tide of corrupt corporate power.
the facts do show how much better off the uk was by keeping the pound and ignoring the corporate brainwashing that we had to join the euro or else we would face ruin. the corporations were wrong then and theyre wrong now
We are successful in the EU, to change that for uncertainty and no evidence whatsoever of better success,well that needs very careful thought especially when there is no turning back once we vote to leave.
8th time now and 8th time its wrong and meaningless
Even moreso if we now still voted to leave after the evidence of all the institutions and other Nations leaders advice on this issue as to how they hope to see the UKs place and status in the World.
status? doesn't pay the bills. wed be massively flexible , nimble, responsive and unique as always. every single policy could be quicker more dynamic, long term wed be an awesome country to do business with...all the greatest nations are autonomous, independent, flexible , dynamic and control their own laws.
To have dismissed all those Nations and organisations concerns and advice and then vote to leave would hardly lkely inspire cooperation from them afterwards.
lol so give in to corprations and corporate lackeys threats of blackmail to make sure they ill be throw us a few crumbs in future. id rather stand on 1 ;leg than bow down on 2 knees.
Those who want the change then, have to be the ones to prove change is for the better otherwise in lack of that proof,the most dangerous thing to do with any Nation and all its generations of its citizens that need to be successful, is make that change which will only open doors to likely long periods of uncertainty across the board.
answered this already check out the difference between the uk economy and the Europeans who took the euro
In the EU, we are successful, ending as I started almost,we have been from joining, we are still and are at present and that is far more likely to continue to be the case in my view, in the EU and not out of it.
9th time you've said this and 9th time its wrong and meaningless. we are successful not because of the corrupt EU but in spite of it
(My post, if even read,will probably be dismissed as some of the old 'in' EU rhetoric that has been said over and over again,that does not bother me, as it has more facts and more evidence as to the position from other Nations leaders,The USA President being only the latest one,also the support of financial institutions and then even on security from NATO too.
It contains far more facts and backing up than anything at all thus far presented to the UK voters by the out organisations who demand detailed info and facts from the 'in' side while giving none at all of substantiated detail themselves as to their position for the vital future of the UK).
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