[Headie]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Regardless of gender if you swing at me expect it back!

You been watchin' too much BGC?

[Alf]

Most men are women nowadays.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Most men are women nowadays.

How so?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

This says it all really

Youtube video

Yes most people think that the woman cant really hurt the guy and so are not bothered. He looked like if needs be he could have defended himself there.

and as woman dont normally react like that then he must have been doing the dirty and got caught


Seems perfectly normal reaction to me, I would have walked past and let them get on with it tbh

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes most people think that the woman cant really hurt the guy and so are not bothered. He looked like if needs be he could have defended himself there.

and as woman dont normally react like that then he must have been doing the dirty and got caught


Seems perfectly normal reaction to me, I would have walked past and let them get on with it tbh

If someone who wasn't clearly trolling came out with this guff then I'd probably be seriously annoyed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

If someone who wasn't clearly trolling came out with this guff then I'd probably be seriously annoyed.

i am sorry you dont agree but to assume your pov is the right one is arrogant plain and simple

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i am sorry you dont agree but to assume your pov is the right one is arrogant plain and simple

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i am sorry you dont agree but to assume your pov is the right one is arrogant plain and simple

His is the right opinion though

No one has the right to put their hands on another person, if they don't want hands put on them in return the solution is quite simple...........

[Lostie!]

Okay, let's assume you're being serious LT, just for the hell of it...

My pov doesn't involve victim-blaming just because the victim happens to be a male and saying actively supporting a woman abusing a man is a "normal reaction", so I'm perfectly content to believe my viewpoint is the "right" one, since the other is a horribly skewed and dangerous one to hold.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Okay, let's assume you're being serious LT, just for the hell of it...

My pov doesn't involve victim-blaming just because the victim happens to be a male and saying actively supporting a woman abusing a man is a "normal reaction", so I'm perfectly content to believe my viewpoint is the "right" one, since the other is a horribly skewed and dangerous one to hold.

No, like all the people there they just thought the man was in no danger and thus did not get involved, no mystery there

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How so?

He is Talking about the Younger men
that are to soft

[Ashley.]

I disagree with men hitting women, but I also disagree with men not being able to hit back. I couldn't possibly count on one hand the number of occasions in clubs or bars where I've witness a women using the ridiculous "I'm a girl" excuse, when they're being just as aggressive as the man.

Of course, I don't think anybody should resort to violence at all. But I'm not having one rule for one, and a different rule for another. If we're allowed to defend ourselves, then so can men in my books?

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No, like all the people there they just thought the man was in no danger and thus did not get involved, no mystery there

Yeah, they thought he was in no danger because he was a man and she was a woman. I'm sure the same has been said about real male victims who ended up being killed.

And a good few of them actually said they assumed he deserved it, which is reprehensible and I have no respect for anyone who operates with that train of thought.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Okay, let's assume you're being serious LT, just for the hell of it...

My pov doesn't involve victim-blaming just because the victim happens to be a male and saying actively supporting a woman abusing a man is a "normal reaction", so I'm perfectly content to believe my viewpoint is the "right" one, since the other is a horribly skewed and dangerous one to hold.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Yeah, they thought he was in no danger because he was a man and she was a woman. I'm sure the same has been said about real male victims who ended up being killed.

And a good few of them actually said they assumed he deserved it, which is reprehensible and I have no respect for anyone who operates with that train of thought.

"about real male victims who ended up being killed."


So have you an example of that in a similar situation in a park with 2 people of the same build or are you just using another unrelated unqualified example to somehow make your argument?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I disagree with men hitting women, but I also disagree with men not being able to hit back. I couldn't possibly count on one hand the number of occasions in clubs or bars where I've witness a women using the ridiculous "I'm a girl" excuse, when they're being just as aggressive as the man.

Of course, I don't think anybody should resort to violence at all. But I'm not having one rule for one, and a different rule for another. If we're allowed to defend ourselves, then so can men in my books?

so you think that there should be no men and womens sports then as well, for example?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so you think that there should be no men and womens sports then as well, for example?

Hitting someone is against the law, sports are not. Don't break the law and you won't get hurt

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Hitting someone is against the law, sports are not. Don't break the law and you won't get hurt

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"about real male victims who ended up being killed."


So have you an example of that in a similar situation in a park with 2 people of the same build or are you just using another unrelated unqualified example to somehow make your argument?

Unrelated? You harp on about sports and holding doors open and my point actually focused on violence is unrelated?

You keep living in your nice little fantasy world, I sincerely hope you're never in the situation you seem so adamant on brushing off as unimportant.

[Josy]

No one should be thumping anyone but if you give it out you better be prepared to take it back whoever you are.

[user104658]

A partner etc. no way, unless they were threatening my life or serious injury (e.g. coming at me with a knife or another weapon). For "randoms" - nobody should ever hit anyone else without seriouly good reason. Not "provocation", "wnding up" or whatever... no one should turn to violence unless it's to physically defend themselves or others who, again, are at real risk of being killed or seriously injured. In that case, basically use whatever force is necessary to stop an attacker. Male or female really doesn't matter.

Actually thinking about it there is no gender distinction at all, then. Men should only hit women in extreme and defensive circumstances - but likewise, men should only hit other men in those circumstances .

Or mutually agreed sports, obvz.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Unrelated? You harp on about sports and holding doors open and my point actually focused on violence is unrelated?

You keep living in your nice little fantasy world, I sincerely hope you're never in the situation you seem so adamant on brushing off as unimportant.

and you keep losing any argument you may have by constant personal remarks

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Assaulting someone is unacceptable regardless of gender and those who think women hitting men isn't as bad need to tell that to the men abused and killed by violent partners.

Likewise, both genders have every right to fight back and defend themselves if they're being attacked. I'd rather bear the ridiculous outdated social stigma of being the guy who fought back against a woman rather than be the guy seriously injured or killed all because victims of female-on-male violence risk being mocked and/or vilified if they dare defend themselves.

If only being a 'female' was some guarantor of feminity, but it is not. Some women are just as capable of aggression and violence as some men - and despite always regarding myself as a 'Gentleman', I would not think twice from defending myself against possible injury from such females, and that would include punching where less 'violent' restraint was not an option.

Women's Prisons are full of female wannabe Mike Tysons.

Just happened across this:

‘Give me 20p!’: Aggressive beggar demanding small change hurls abuse and tries to kick terrified teenager before she is SAVED by a friend who pays tramp off.

Yelling woman stood over 16-year-old Bobbie Vaughn and aims a kick
Teenager simply didn't have a 20p to give but the beggar didn't listen
Eventually another passing girl gives the adult some money

This is the shocking moment a sunbathing teenage girl was subjected to a stream of abuse after she told a female beggar she couldn't give her 20p.
Video footage shows the topless adult screaming in the face of 16-year-old Bobbie Vaughn while she was relaxing in the Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester city centre.
The woman leans over Vaughn, who is lying down, yelling indignantly, 'All I wanted was 20p' before aiming a kick at the student as she shouts, 'Don't run your mouth to me.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-pays-off.html
Now, if that was ME laid innocently sunbathing on the grass....

[smudgie]

No simple answer.

In general I would say don't hit anyone unless you are prepared for retaliation, gender has nothing to do with it.
There was a lot of fighting going on in my youth, just the way it was.
I hit a lad first fully expecting to get whacked back but one can only take so much provocation.
I also jumped on an ex that thought it would be fun to break my nose.
For all that, I taught my kids that to walk away from trouble makes you the better person, stand up for yourself but never pick on someone weaker than you.

[Liberty4eva]

This video sums up what is wrong with some corners of the media on this issue. A man is being attacked relentlessly by a woman and he is supposed to just sit back and take it? That was sort of the message I got while watching it. I don't believe any woman should be hit unless she herself is the aggressure.

Youtube video