[Josy]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

What is though? They loved Malcom X and MLK but only listen to certain parts of their speeches and ignored the other parts including brutality. If even they couldn't be heard what the heck else can be done?

I don't know what is, I don't have the answers. What I do know for a fact is that more lives being lost is NOT going to help or solve anything.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Who was it on here earlier who said if the US didn't sort out their issues with police brutality and racism soon it would spiral into bigger problems that included attacks on officers themselves? Looks like you're right already

Something has to give, it's a problem that's gone on far too long

Ithink it was me Jack:
kirklancaster's Avatar

"I am not specifically referring to this video or any other, but the USA DOES have a very serious and increasing problem with members of its various Police Departments EXECUTING black people - including OAP's AND children - when there are NO justifiable reasons to do so.

It is becoming embarrassing the repeated number of times that such unlawful and heartbreaking 'murders' do not even result in any type of 'Official' investigations, and even more shameful when such an investigation is carried out, only for the inevitable 'whitewashed' verdict of 'No Case To Answer' to be given.

IF the USA Government does not ADDRESS this untenable and SHAMEFUL practice soon, REAL violence WILL erupt upon their streets as the more frustrated militant black community - tired of holding out for justice to be done - take the CORRUPT law into their own hands.

Anyone DENYING that the US police ARE executing - largely - unharmed and helpless victims, needs a reality check.

If it was the British Police shooting - largely - unarmed and helpless IMMIGRANT victims, there would be a HUE and CRY of protest which would be heard around the world.

WHY is the USA so deaf to the cries of the black community?"
__________________

It is so tragic that it has come to this.

[Crimson Dynamo]

sorry Kirk but you are being judge and jury again, just adding to the hysteria

If you have legal evidence for " US police ARE executing - largely - unharmed and helpless victims"

Post it here

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

So people understand this new thing and the concept of #bluelivesmatter but somehow the concept of #blacklivesmatter is a foreign language and is counter attacked with alllivesmatter hm look at that. ��

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

This is what happens when you're hopeless and you know that nobody has been listening or ever will listen. Instead, they are focused on telling why you are wrong about your feelings and what you've witnessed.

I watched that film Straight Outta Compton a couple of days ago and that touched on the Rodney King murder, that was way back in 1991 and it seems not to have changed at all since then, it's shameful really. What is the solution? I understand your frustration with the it

[user104658]

I've never understood why people take such issue with the term "black lives matter". It's almost like people get defensive about it, like "what about me??". Personally, I've always considered the slogan to be about saying "black lives matter too". A lot of people seem to take it as "Only black lives matter" but I don't think anyone has ever been saying that?

And yes I also agree that this sort of escalation was inevitable. For those saying "well this won't help anything"... That's not really the point. The point is that it's reaching breaking point and people are snapping. They don't think it will help, but they don't think that ANYTHING will help. When people feel unheard, powerless and under attack it is only a matter of time before they snap.

The absolute worst thing you can do is "pull an LT", throw your head in the sand and demand to see "concrete evidence" of a link before you will even acknowledge the legitimacy of people's grievances. This is what I've been talking about for the last couple of weeks. When there is a clear escalation in tensions in any situation you HAVE to acknowledge it and try to address it quickly before it rolls completely out of control. This is a lesson that Britain should be learning from the US right now, before we learn it ourselves the hard way.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I watched that film Straight Oughta Compton a couple of days ago and that touched on the Rodney King murder, that was way back in 1991 and it seems not to have changed at all since then, it's shameful really. What is the solution? I understand your frustration with the it

Thank you, it's just so sad. And now people will use this latest incident to further look away from where the anger stems from. Many murderers today get their motives looked into which they conclude is mental disability. Will they care to look into where this anger stems from and actually do something? Doubt it. Of course I absolutely disagree with killing cops.

The solution is that they need to listen and actually acknowledge that here is a problem with racial profiling and how cops treats people differently. Heck if we go as far back as the OJ case even the cop on trial was caught on tape saying that he targeted black people and at times planted evidence against them. It's a thing. It's the same reason many racists don't like to be called racists, they don't like to acknowledge that part of them because it makes them a bad person. Cops and people like to believe that they're all good cops and that they truly are there to serve the people for your best interest. Acknowledging this completely destroys that serving your country slogan and they hate it. Doesn't mean they're all bad, but when they're bad they're bad and those cops protecting them are also bad.

[kirklancaster]

I have said this before elsewhere, but America has a huge bifurcated problem with these murders by cops.

The first is OPPORTUNITY.

Paedophiles flock towards jobs in Children's homes, Embezzlers towards Accountancy, and mentally unbalanced, racial extremists gravitate towards institutions where they can vent their hatred, and there is NO better institution to afford them that opportunity than a Police Department.

Once in, the covert racist may be surprised to quickly discover that he is 'at home', and that there are either other racists just like himself on the job who are tolerated, or that the ENTIRE department is racist in thought and word, if not deed.

There is NO basement level at which standards stop once they start to descend, and what was once shocking to yesteryear's society becomes the accepted norm to a subsequent generation, and 'so on and so forth'.

A long time ago, I used to play squash, and I remember on one occasion, being surprised by a group of men in the locker room who were laughing and howling as they told each other 'racist' jokes. The joke-telling and laughter stopped as I entered - probably because I am coloured - but it was NOT the jokes which surprised me, but the fact that NONE of the members concerned were 'low brows', but all well educated, 'well off' types who had NEVER hinted at any kind of 'racism' in the couple of years I had known them.

This 'locker room' racism, may be 'milder' to some participants than others, but it is often endemic wherever males congregate in institutions, and if nothing else, in the twisted mind of an extreme racist, it empowers him, gives him a sense of fraternity - however false that perception may be.

In some Police Departments in the USA, as the more 'moral' officers leave and new recruits are either racist or are corrupted by the prevailing 'locker room' mentality into accepting racism - over generations - that racism can 'creep out' of the 'locker room' and overtly become the status quo.

It is NOT unusual, therefore, for any combination of of two or three extremely racist officers, or two extremely racist officers and one accepting officer, to be out on patrol together.

Thus, we have the recipe for a tragedy.

"Hey boy - that nogger's tail light is out. Let's teach this mother fecker a lesson".

We all know the untenable truth of what happens next, but here's the other prong of that bifurcated problem:

APATHY.

Or as some cases attest; COMPLICITY.

In any country - there must be both a deterrent AND a punishment element to any sentencing for a crime, in order to dissuade perpetrators from committing that crime, but it seems from all the evidence of many years, that when it comes to the murder of black citizens by racist cops, that the USA does NOT even recognize that crime - in diametric opposition to the rest of the world.

THE USA AUTHORITIES MUST NOW FACE UP TO THE VERY REAL, VERY OVERT FACT, THAT RACIST COPS ARE VENTING THEIR HATRED OF BLACK PEOPLE USING POLICE ISSUE GUNS AS A WEAPON, AND THEIR UNIFORMS AND BADGES AS SHIELDS.

A LEGAL police gun and badge has replaced an ILLEGAL low overhanging branch and a noose as the racist extremists most favoured method of murdering the blackman.

It is sad, shocking but true, and UNTIL the American authorities RECOGNISE that these racist murders are occurring and publicly ADMIT as much, and start to PUNISH the perpetrators with lengthy jail sentences, then the terrible events unfolding right now in Dallas will be replicated all over America.

For blacks to vent their years of bitter frustration by randomly killing innocent police officers, is WRONG - no matter how understandable may be their bitter frustration - but the fingers of EVERY police department chief who has turned a blind eye or actually been complicit in these 'Murders of Blacks by Cops', are on those snipers triggers too.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I've never understood why people take such issue with the term "black lives matter". It's almost like people get defensive about it, like "what about me??". Personally, I've always considered the slogan to be about saying "black lives matter too". A lot of people seem to take it as "Only black lives matter" but I don't think anyone has ever been saying that?

And yes I also agree that this sort of escalation was inevitable. For those saying "well this won't help anything"... That's not really the point. The point is that it's reaching breaking point and people are snapping. They don't think it will help, but they don't think that ANYTHING will help. When people feel unheard, powerless and under attack it is only a matter of time before they snap.

The absolute worst thing you can do is "pull an LT", throw your head in the sand and demand to see "concrete evidence" of a link before you will even acknowledge the legitimacy of people's grievances. This is what I've been talking about for the last couple of weeks. When there is a clear escalation in tensions in any situation you HAVE to acknowledge it and try to address it quickly before it rolls completely out of control. This is a lesson that Britain should be learning from the US right now, before we learn it ourselves the hard way.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I have said this before elsewhere, but America has a huge bifurcated problem with these murders by cops.

The first is OPPORTUNITY.

Paedophiles flock towards jobs in Children's homes, Embezzlers towards Accountancy, and mentally unbalanced, racial extremists gravitate towards institutions where they can vent their hatred, and there is NO better institution to afford them that opportunity than a Police Department.

Once in, the covert racist may be surprised to quickly discover that he is 'at home', and that there are either other racists just like himself on the job who are tolerated, or that the ENTIRE department is racist in thought and word, if not deed.

There is NO basement level at which standards stop once they start to descend, and what was once shocking to yesteryear's society becomes the accepted norm to a subsequent generation, and 'so on and so forth'.

A long time ago, I used to play squash, and I remember on one occasion, being surprised by a group of men in the locker room who were laughing and howling as they told each other 'racist' jokes. The joke-telling and laughter stopped as I entered - probably because I am coloured - but it was NOT the jokes which surprised me, but the fact that NONE of the members concerned were 'low brows', but all well educated, 'well off' types who had NEVER hinted at any kind of 'racism' in the couple of years I had known them.

This 'locker room' racism, may be 'milder' to some participants than others, but it is often endemic wherever males congregate in institutions, and if nothing else, in the twisted mind of an extreme racist, it empowers him, gives him a sense of fraternity - however false that perception may be.

In some Police Departments in the USA, as the more 'moral' officers leave and new recruits are either racist or are corrupted by the prevailing 'locker room' mentality into accepting racism - over generations - that racism can 'creep out' of the 'locker room' and overtly become the status quo.

It is NOT unusual, therefore, for any combination of of two or three extremely racist officers, or two extremely racist officers and one accepting officer, to be out on patrol together.

Thus, we have the recipe for a tragedy.

"Hey boy - that nogger's tail light is out. Let's teach this mother fecker a lesson".

We all know the untenable truth of what happens next, but here's the other prong of that bifurcated problem:

APATHY.

Or as some cases attest; COMPLICITY.

In any country - there must be both a deterrent AND a punishment element to any sentencing for a crime, in order to dissuade perpetrators from committing that crime, but it seems from all the evidence of many years, that when it comes to the murder of black citizens by racist cops, that the USA does NOT even recognize that crime - in diametric opposition to the rest of the world.

THE USA AUTHORITIES MUST NOW FACE UP TO THE VERY REAL, VERY OVERT FACT, THAT RACIST COPS ARE VENTING THEIR HATRED OF BLACK PEOPLE USING POLICE ISSUE GUNS AS A WEAPON, AND THEIR UNIFORMS AND BADGES AS SHIELDS.

A LEGAL police gun and badge has replaced an ILLEGAL low overhanging branch and a noose as the racist extremists most favoured method of murdering the blackman.

It is sad, shocking but true, and UNTIL the American authorities RECOGNISE that these racist murders are occurring and publicly ADMIT as much, and start to PUNISH the perpetrators with lenghty jail sentences, then the terrible events unfolding right now in Dallas will be replicated all over America.

For blacks to vent their years of bitter frustration by randomly killing innocent police officers, is WRONG - no matter how understandable may be their bitter frustration - but the fingers of EVERY police department chief who has turned a blind eye or actually been complicit in these 'Murders of Blacks by Cops', are on those snipers triggers too.

If you don't preach.


The cop badge was originally slave patrol badge.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Thank you, it's just so sad. And now people will use this latest incident to further look away from where the anger stems from. Many murderers today get their motives looked into which they conclude is mental disability. Will they care to look into where this anger stems from and actually do something? Doubt it. Of course I absolutely disagree with killing cops.

The solution is that they need to listen and actually acknowledge that here is a problem with racial profiling and how cops treats people differently. Heck if we go as far back as the OJ case even the cop on trial was caught on tape saying that he targeted black people and at times planted evidence against them. It's a thing. It's the same reason many racists don't like to be called racists, they don't like to acknowledge that part of them because it makes them a bad person. Cops and people like to believe that they're all good cops and that they truly are there to serve the people for your best interest. Acknowledging this completely destroys that serving your country slogan and they hate it. Doesn't mean they're all bad, but when they're bad they're bad and those cops protecting them are also bad.

yep, I agree with all that. The Cops should be trained differently and Racial profiling should be brought into their training as well(as in don't do it), it's like a vicious circle really, black people get targeted by Police so black people don't trust the Police and end up more hostile towards them because of that and then that "confirms" that thought that black people are bad and so it continues endlessly. A massive change in attitude and how the Police are taught to deal with people most especially black people is needed but that's never going to happen until the Police stop closing ranks and accept that change is needed

[Northern Monkey]

Let's hope these ****ers are all arrested or shot asap.RIP those poor people who died.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Josy

Well this isn't going to solve anything is it, even more lives lost needlessly.

But they Confirmed the Hidden Evil Sniper
was Killed by SWAT


One arrested was a Woman


Lock It Down
Get the Evil Sniper Gang
arrested or Shot DEAD


Obama wants that

[_Tom_]

Thoughts are with the fallen and the people of Dallas on this terribly tragic day.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I've never understood why people take such issue with the term "black lives matter". It's almost like people get defensive about it, like "what about me??". Personally, I've always considered the slogan to be about saying "black lives matter too". A lot of people seem to take it as "Only black lives matter" but I don't think anyone has ever been saying that?

And yes I also agree that this sort of escalation was inevitable. For those saying "well this won't help anything"... That's not really the point. The point is that it's reaching breaking point and people are snapping. They don't think it will help, but they don't think that ANYTHING will help. When people feel unheard, powerless and under attack it is only a matter of time before they snap.

The absolute worst thing you can do is "pull an LT", throw your head in the sand and demand to see "concrete evidence" of a link before you will even acknowledge the legitimacy of people's grievances. This is what I've been talking about for the last couple of weeks. When there is a clear escalation in tensions in any situation you HAVE to acknowledge it and try to address it quickly before it rolls completely out of control. This is a lesson that Britain should be learning from the US right now, before we learn it ourselves the hard way.

Well why don't they just make their slogan 'black lives matter too' to stop any confusion?Having a slogan like that which implies that only black lives matter is bound to cause controversy.
Some of these blm people actually do think that only black lives matter and are racist.Those are the ones who give blm the bad reputation they have and detract from their cause.Most black people are killed by other black people but they don't go protesting over that.

[Tom4784]

It's terrible but unavoidable, it was only a matter of time until the backlash against the police turn violent and it's a tragedy that these officers, who were likely some of the good ones, had to pay for the crimes of the corrupt ones that are protected by the system.

Something has got to give, innocent civilians and good police officers are being killed by a lack of action on the government's part.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well why don't they just make their slogan 'black lives matter too' to stop any confusion?Having a slogan like that which implies that only black lives matter is bound to cause controversy.
Some of these blm people actually do think that only black lives matter and are racist.Those are the ones who give blm the bad reputation they have and detract from their cause.Most black people are killed by other black people but they don't go protesting over that.

No it doesn't

and in regards to this "Most black people are killed by other black people but they don't go protesting over that." The big difference here is that the Police are supposed to be there to uphold the law, serve and protect, they're not supposed to be the criminals

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No it doesn't

and in regards to this "Most black people are killed by other black people but they don't go protesting over that." The big difference here is that the Police are supposed to be there to uphold the law, serve and protect, they're not supposed to be the criminals

And the police were out there protecting the protesters so they could have their protest before they started getting killed and nobody is 'supposed' to be criminals but those elements are in all walks of life.Most police are good.It's only a minority who are incompetent.
If they just made their slogan Black lives matter too then nobody would ever take issue with it.Why have one that at best causes confusion and at worst implies that black lives matter more.No wonder people reply with 'all lives matter' because well...they do.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I've never understood why people take such issue with the term "black lives matter". It's almost like people get defensive about it, like "what about me??". Personally, I've always considered the slogan to be about saying "black lives matter too". A lot of people seem to take it as "Only black lives matter" but I don't think anyone has ever been saying that?

And yes I also agree that this sort of escalation was inevitable. For those saying "well this won't help anything"... That's not really the point. The point is that it's reaching breaking point and people are snapping. They don't think it will help, but they don't think that ANYTHING will help. When people feel unheard, powerless and under attack it is only a matter of time before they snap.

The absolute worst thing you can do is "pull an LT", throw your head in the sand and demand to see "concrete evidence" of a link before you will even acknowledge the legitimacy of people's grievances. This is what I've been talking about for the last couple of weeks. When there is a clear escalation in tensions in any situation you HAVE to acknowledge it and try to address it quickly before it rolls completely out of control. This is a lesson that Britain should be learning from the US right now, before we learn it ourselves the hard way.

Some white people take issue with BLM because they're used to being the majority and being catered for, when they see something like BLM, BET/MOBO awards and Black History month, they have a reaction similar to that of a spoiled child who's seen another kid with a toy they haven't got and they want it. What these people don't understand is that the other 11 months are White History months, that every channel and award ceremony mostly caters to white people. Pretty much everything in the rest caters to white people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I heard LBC reporting today that the guy shot in the car with his girlfriend was only reaching for his licence

They reported that as a fact

Unbelievable but this is half the problem

They took one report from the girlfriend and reported it as a fact. It is not. We have not heard the police side. But all round AMerica people will be saying "omg this poor guy just reached for his licence and they shot him"

this is what happens when we do not wait for justice and law

and now we have the dallas murders that are just an extension of this misinformation, prejudice and hysteria

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's terrible but unavoidable, it was only a matter of time until the backlash against the police turn violent and it's a tragedy that these officers, who were likely some of the good ones, had to pay for the crimes of the corrupt ones that are protected by the system.

Something has got to give, innocent civilians and good police officers are being killed by a lack of action on the government's part.

Yes Dezzy
Troops will now get ready , again


Obama is Right


Evil Sniper Gangs are being hunted now

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I heard LBC reporting today that the guy shot in the car with his girlfriend was only reaching for his licence

They reported that as a fact

Unbelievable but this is half the problem

They took one report from the girlfriend and reported it as a fact. It is not. We have not heard the police side. But all round AMerica people will be saying "omg this poor guy just reached for his licence and they shot him"

this is what happens when we do not wait for justice and law

and now we have the dallas murders that are just an extension of this misinformation, prejudice and hysteria

Yes the Evil Sniper Gangs
can shoot from up High
Police had no chance.


The Protesters had nothing to do with this Evil Gang

[Crimson Dynamo]

The protesters are protesting over misinformation and hysteria and are part of the problem

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well why don't they just make their slogan 'black lives matter too' to stop any confusion?Having a slogan like that which implies that only black lives matter is bound to cause controversy.
Some of these blm people actually do think that only black lives matter and are racist.Those are the ones who give blm the bad reputation they have and detract from their cause.Most black people are killed by other black people but they don't go protesting over that.

The thing is, it doesn't imply that, not to anyone who isn't already pre-conditioned to read it as that.

What about "Votes For Women"? That was a HUGE movement. Should men have been up-in-arms saying "No no no no, votes for EVERYONE that should be". Did anyone think that "Votes For Women" was asking for votes to be ONLY for women? No. Everyone knew, by context, that it meant "Votes for women too". That should be just as obvious with "Black Lives Matter". When people use that slogan they are quite obviously NOT saying "...and white / asian / any other lives don't matter".

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

And the police were out there protecting the protesters so they could have their protest before they started getting killed and nobody is 'supposed' to be criminals but those elements are in all walks of life.Most police are good.It's only a minority who are incompetent.
If they just made their slogan Black lives matter too then nobody would ever take issue with it.Why have one that at best causes confusion and at worst implies that black lives matter more.No wonder people reply with 'all lives matter' because well...they do.

You really think? I think you're wrong about that, i think people would still have a problem with it, i don't think it's the slogans wording that's the issue, i think it's the fact people want to dilute it by preaching "equality for whites too" and hide the fact that there is a problem