[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Biggins and Frankie? I'm going to be homophobic by the end of this series.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Perhaps that word doesn't apply to Frankie given the circumstances but that's pointless semantics. I'm telling you - the person who is typing these posts - that my intention is not to criticise people disliking Frankie, or telling them they aren't allowed to object to him being casted. So that's how it stands.

No, if people's views change it will be because Frankie is different on CBB to how he was on BB16 - and that's precisely my point. I'm not teaching anyone how to watch the show, merely pointing out that it is stupid and futile to judge housemates based on things that happened outside the confines of the house, otherwise we may as well not do the show. Nothing more, nothing less. And I'm entitled to do so, people don't have to listen or respond if they don't want.

And I'm telling you (the person who is reading and replying to your posts), that's how it's coming across. If you want to end it here with your intention clear then that would be great.

Your main ideal from this was to tell people to 'leave their preconception at the door', so to now say ' if people's views change it will be because Frankie is different on CBB to how he was on BB16' just makes our whole debate redundant. You shouldn't have told people to not judge him based on BB16. We wouldn't be having this conversation otherwise. It's not stupid to judge people base don their actions outside of the show, because in that case people could potentially be championing racists, homophobics, sexists, etc. You're entitles to say what you like, but don't be surprised if people get annoyed if they feel like you're telling to process something the same way you do. We're all different. Your outlook on the show is different o other people's. There's no right and wrong and many people have repsonded in this htread to say they have every right to judge Frankie beforehand.

[Braden]

Frankie is loving all of this ():

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Braden

And I'm telling you (the person who is reading and replying to your posts), that's how it's coming across. If you want to end it here with your intention clear then that would be great.

Your main ideal from this was to tell people to 'leave their preconception at the door', so to now say ' if people's views change it will be because Frankie is different on CBB to how he was on BB16' just makes our whole debate redundant. You shouldn't have told people to not judge him based on BB16. We wouldn't be having this conversation otherwise. It's not stupid to judge people base don their actions outside of the show, because in that case people could potentially be championing racists, homophobics, sexists, etc. You're entitles to say what you like, but don't be surprised if people get annoyed if they feel like you're telling to process something the same way you do. We're all different. Your outlook on the show is different o other people's. There's no right and wrong and many people have repsonded in this htread to say they have every right to judge Frankie beforehand.

Well I've made my intention clear on numerous occasions throughout this thread, constantly making a point of saying I'm not telling people they aren't allowed to criticise Frankie based off what they already know, or even oppose him being casted. If you or anyone else fails to see that, it is because you are not reading the posts properly.

It doesn't make it redundant at all, those two quotes go hand in hand with one another. If people leave their preconceptions of all of the housemates at the door they may indeed find that they like people more or less than they thought they would, and that includes Frankie. In fact, I've said that he may be different from his time on BB16 on several occasions in this thread:

Originally Posted by Jack_

Why don't you wait to judge him on a clean slate, he might be different

Originally Posted by Jack_

There's nothing to suggest he has stayed the same either, nobody knows him or has access to live feeds of his life so it's pointless conjecture.

Originally Posted by Jack_

If he's as 'awful' as before the fine, but in theory there is no reason why he can't act differently this time around

Again, if posts were read properly you'd have seen this.

Unless said housemates are racist, homophobic etc etc on the show then I don't see how it's relevant. Yes I'm sure I'll be greeted with 'welp' and 'OMG' type responses but it's true. Do I oppose these kinds of people being casted? Absolutely, their vetting process as history shows is really quite poor. But once they're on they're on, and if they were aware of said history and still wanted to cast them then that's their choice. To then judge them as housemates based off of things that happened outside of the house takes away from the point of the programme, and as I said we may as well just decide who's got the cleanest record now and crown them the winner. They may be racist or homophobic on the show (i.e. Winston) and by all means criticise them, but they may not (i.e. Andrew) and therefore it's pointless to

I'm aware my outlook on the show is different to other people's - believe me after years of becoming a minority on here I'm well aware of that - but I'm still entitled to say that I think judging housemates for things they've done outside of the house itself is stupid. No one has to agree, no one has to listen, no one has to respond. But this is a forum and if that's my opinion, I will say so.

Finally...

Originally Posted by Braden

many people have repsonded in this htread to say they have every right to judge Frankie beforehand.

See, again! I have no idea how many more times I'm going to have to say that I've never once said people aren't allowed to judge Frankie or oppose him being casted before people start paying attention. This is now twice in one post I've said the same thing ffs

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Biggins and Frankie? I'm going to be homophobic by the end of this series.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I also think it's quite amusing you're engaging in a debate about the pitfalls of a person you've never actually watched. Why are you so desperate to argue with me?

I know Frankie outside of Big Brother, I've made an opinion on him much like you have..

Only difference is you seem to think people cant have an opinion on him whereas i understand it is completely normal to form opinions on stuff as they come across them...
And thats the reason I'm "arguing" wih you.. You telling people they cant have an opinion on someone as controversial as Frankie before and after you claim that you think he will be a fantastic housemate for the same reason is dumb and contradictory.

I hate him as a person, i dont know him as a housemate, im not excited for him to be in the house
You presumably love him as a person and a housemate and youve made it clear that youre excited for him to be in the house
Others hate him as a person and a housemate and are not excited for him to be in the house

None of us are going to watch him from a blank slate on thursday, not even you. Youve completely contradicted yourself asking people to do so, its obvious youre only asking this cos you love him. You wouldnt care about the negativity on here if you felt the same. So transparent.

[Heaven = Winner]

All of the females (bar like two) could be potentially great

[FaLaLaLand]

Originally Posted by Heaven = Winner

All of the females (bar like two) could be potentially great

Agreed! I can see Helen being quiet and Sam could go either way but the others are bound to cause some sort of stir.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well I've made my intention clear on numerous occasions throughout this thread, constantly making a point of saying I'm not telling people they aren't allowed to criticise Frankie based off what they already know, or even oppose him being casted. If you or anyone else fails to see that, it is because you are not reading the posts properly.

It doesn't make it redundant at all, those two quotes go hand in hand with one another. If people leave their preconceptions of all of the housemates at the door they may indeed find that they like people more or less than they thought they would, and that includes Frankie. In fact, I've said that he may be different from his time on BB16 on several occasions in this thread:







Again, if posts were read properly you'd have seen this.

Unless said housemates are racist, homophobic etc etc on the show then I don't see how it's relevant. Yes I'm sure I'll be greeted with 'welp' and 'OMG' type responses but it's true. Do I oppose these kinds of people being casted? Absolutely, their vetting process as history shows is really quite poor. But once they're on they're on, and if they were aware of said history and still wanted to cast them then that's their choice. To then judge them as housemates based off of things that happened outside of the house takes away from the point of the programme, and as I said we may as well just decide who's got the cleanest record now and crown them the winner. They may be racist or homophobic on the show (i.e. Winston) and by all means criticise them, but they may not (i.e. Andrew) and therefore it's pointless to

I'm aware my outlook on the show is different to other people's - believe me after years of becoming a minority on here I'm well aware of that - but I'm still entitled to say that I think judging housemates for things they've done outside of the house itself is stupid. No one has to agree, no one has to listen, no one has to respond. But this is a forum and if that's my opinion, I will say so.

Finally...



See, again! I have no idea how many more times I'm going to have to say that I've never once said people aren't allowed to judge Frankie or oppose him being casted before people start paying attention. This is now twice in one post I've said the same thing ffs

There's a lot I could say but I'm just going to tell you that you're right.

There was no offense or rudeness implemented in this by the way. That's all I'm going to say.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

I know Frankie outside of Big Brother, I've made an opinion on him much like you have..

Only difference is you seem to think people cant have an opinion on him whereas i understand it is completely normal to form opinions on stuff as they come across them...
And thats the reason I'm "arguing" wih you.. You telling people they cant have an opinion on someone as controversial as Frankie before and after you claim that you think he will be a fantastic housemate for the same reason is dumb and contradictory.

I hate him as a person, i dont know him as a housemate, im not excited for him to be in the house
You presumably love him as a person and a housemate and youve made it clear that youre excited for him to be in the house
Others hate him as a person and a housemate and are not excited for him to be in the house

None of us are going to watch him from a blank slate on thursday, not even you. Youve completely contradicted yourself asking people to do so, its obvious youre only asking this cos you love him. You wouldnt care about the negativity on here if you felt the same. So transparent.

pmsl this is so far from the truth it's hilarious, there were at least three and maybe four houseguests I preferred to Frankie on his season so to say I 'love' him is just false - I'm ambivalent towards him, I think the hatred he gets is excessive and unwarranted but he's nothing special either. I got excited because the meltdowns if he entered will be hilarious and I'm not really sure how many more times I have to say that before you get it

Once again you've obviously not read my posts and the thread properly because for the umpteenth time, I've never said no one's allowed an opinion on him and have actually made a point of saying the opposite on countless occasions. I also never said he would be a 'fantastic' housemate either, more pointless exaggeration

I think you'll find that I will watch from a blank slate as I do with every series, be it celebrity or civilian. In fact I encourage you to find evidence of me doing differently because I can assure you I never have. I may have been excited or opposed about certain people going in, but once they're in I give it at least a week usually before I decide who my favourites are. I actually hope he turns out to be a terrible housemate so I don't support him and can prove this, but what's hilarious here is that if he is different this forum will probably worship the ground he walks on while I'll be campaigning for his eviction

You are pining for yet another argument because you have some strange problem with me, that's all this is about. You're the transparent one love

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Are you judging him as 'deplorable' inside the house or out of it? If it's the latter then we may as well just go home and not bother having the show, because if people are going to be judged on what they're like outside of the house (and this also applies to civilian in cases like Andrew) then that goes against the entire point of the programme which is to judge them as housemates inside the house. If you don't put them all on blank slates, there really is no point in the series actually going ahead

forgive me for thinking racist sexists shouldn't get half-arsed "second chances"

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Shaun

forgive me for thinking racist sexists shouldn't get half-arsed "second chances"

I don't agree with those types of people being casted either and also we know their vetting process sucks, but once they're on they're on. Pointless holding the past against them or else the show may as well not exist

[Marsh.]

Marge Simpson to win!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You are pining for yet another argument because you have some strange problem with me, that's all this is about. You're the transparent one love

Christ Jack, I explained why I'm "arguing" with you. Its because of your attempt to dictate how other peoples opinions should be formed when really you need to practice what you preach. Dont be so sensitive, I comment on a lot of posts i find stupid or ridiculous, I dont care who writes them.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

Christ Jack, I explained why I'm "arguing" with you. Its because of your attempt to dictate how other peoples opinions should be formed when really you need to practice what you preach. Dont be so sensitive, I comment on a lot of posts i find stupid or ridiculous, I dont care who writes them.

Except I haven't done that at all in this thread, so yeah sure of course not

[Alf]

Jamie Vardy lookalike Lee Chapman to be the 14th

I've seen the name Lee Chapman in the bookies odds, at first I thought it was the former footballer whose married to Lesley Ash. But looking on google, It came up with a Jamie Vardy Lookalike called Lee Chapman.

[susie q]

Originally Posted by Adam.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...TV-_-526919334

Sam Fox - Page 3 model
Marnie Simpson - Geordie Shore
Lewis Bloor - Towies
Stephen Bear - Ex On The Beach
Katie Waissel - X Factor reject
Christopher Biggins - Wanker
Renee Graziano - Mob Wives
Grant Bovey - Film Maker
Aubrey O'Day - Singer
Beth Chapman - Dog The Bounty Hunter star
Helen Lederer - Comedian
Frankie Grande - BBUSA Contestant
Chloe Khan - X Factor reject

Only know 4 of them, Sam Fox, Chris Biggins, Grant Bovey, Helen Lederer.

[Jack.]

Sam Fox - Page 3 model(Know Her)
Marnie Simpson - Geordie Shore(Know Her)
Lewis Bloor - Towie (Know Him)
Stephen Bear - Ex On The Beach (Only know him because I seen his dick pics on twitter)
Katie Waissel - X Factor reject (Know her)
Christopher Biggins - (Know him)
Renee Graziano - Mob Wives(Don't know her)
Grant Bovey - Film Maker(Don't know him)
Aubrey O'Day - Singer(Don't know)
Beth Chapman - Dog The Bounty Hunter star(Don't know her)
Helen Lederer - Comedian(Know her)
Frankie Grande - BBUSA Contestant(Don't know him)
Chloe Khan - X Factor reject(Don't know her)

[Alf]

I think Biggins may take some beating.

When I look for potential winners in that list, his is the only name that comes forward.

Unless he goes mental and leaves by his own accord.


Katie could possibly be a contender and maybe Beth, but I don't know too much about their personality yet.

Grant Bovey, Sam Fox, Helen Lederer and Marnie Simpson won't beat Biggins.

And looking at the rest, nah!


I'm not a big Biggins fan myself, and I hope I'm wrong.

[Time]

Katie Waissel

[iRyan]

Omg Aubrey <333 Yes I am so excited now!

[Saph]

im here for renee

as for the others