[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Braden

And I'm telling you (the person who is reading and replying to your posts), that's how it's coming across. If you want to end it here with your intention clear then that would be great.

Your main ideal from this was to tell people to 'leave their preconception at the door', so to now say ' if people's views change it will be because Frankie is different on CBB to how he was on BB16' just makes our whole debate redundant. You shouldn't have told people to not judge him based on BB16. We wouldn't be having this conversation otherwise. It's not stupid to judge people base don their actions outside of the show, because in that case people could potentially be championing racists, homophobics, sexists, etc. You're entitles to say what you like, but don't be surprised if people get annoyed if they feel like you're telling to process something the same way you do. We're all different. Your outlook on the show is different o other people's. There's no right and wrong and many people have repsonded in this htread to say they have every right to judge Frankie beforehand.

Well I've made my intention clear on numerous occasions throughout this thread, constantly making a point of saying I'm not telling people they aren't allowed to criticise Frankie based off what they already know, or even oppose him being casted. If you or anyone else fails to see that, it is because you are not reading the posts properly.

It doesn't make it redundant at all, those two quotes go hand in hand with one another. If people leave their preconceptions of all of the housemates at the door they may indeed find that they like people more or less than they thought they would, and that includes Frankie. In fact, I've said that he may be different from his time on BB16 on several occasions in this thread:

Originally Posted by Jack_

Why don't you wait to judge him on a clean slate, he might be different

Originally Posted by Jack_

There's nothing to suggest he has stayed the same either, nobody knows him or has access to live feeds of his life so it's pointless conjecture.

Originally Posted by Jack_

If he's as 'awful' as before the fine, but in theory there is no reason why he can't act differently this time around

Again, if posts were read properly you'd have seen this.

Unless said housemates are racist, homophobic etc etc on the show then I don't see how it's relevant. Yes I'm sure I'll be greeted with 'welp' and 'OMG' type responses but it's true. Do I oppose these kinds of people being casted? Absolutely, their vetting process as history shows is really quite poor. But once they're on they're on, and if they were aware of said history and still wanted to cast them then that's their choice. To then judge them as housemates based off of things that happened outside of the house takes away from the point of the programme, and as I said we may as well just decide who's got the cleanest record now and crown them the winner. They may be racist or homophobic on the show (i.e. Winston) and by all means criticise them, but they may not (i.e. Andrew) and therefore it's pointless to

I'm aware my outlook on the show is different to other people's - believe me after years of becoming a minority on here I'm well aware of that - but I'm still entitled to say that I think judging housemates for things they've done outside of the house itself is stupid. No one has to agree, no one has to listen, no one has to respond. But this is a forum and if that's my opinion, I will say so.

Finally...

Originally Posted by Braden

many people have repsonded in this htread to say they have every right to judge Frankie beforehand.

See, again! I have no idea how many more times I'm going to have to say that I've never once said people aren't allowed to judge Frankie or oppose him being casted before people start paying attention. This is now twice in one post I've said the same thing ffs