[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I agree with this. While I abhor what the IRA did, I don't think there's a right-thinking British person who doesn't acknowledge that they had a point. My father served in the British Army in Northern Ireland and he thinks their cause was a good one... but they chose violence and death. If they'd chosen a method other than packing pipes with nails and ball-bearings and blowing the arms and legs off of civilians to get what they wanted they'd have had more backing on the mainland. And then there's the whole problem of what to do with the Protestants in NI who want to remain British... But they are not comparable to IS and Al Qaeda or any of the various lunatic Islamic terror groups.

mmm There was of course violence from both sides

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

mmm There was of course violence from both sides

Yes there was violence on both sides. But the IRA and the UDA didn't mind setting bombs in shopping centres and pubs etc, that's the difference. They didn't mind blowing up a Remembrance Day parade of veterans. Bloody Sunday aside, I don't think the Army did much blowing up of civilians.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes there was violence on both sides. But the IRA and the UDA didn't mind setting bombs in shopping centres and pubs etc, that's the difference. They didn't mind blowing up a Remembrance Day parade of veterans. Bloody Sunday aside, I don't think the Army did much blowing up of civilians.

The army sure did kill alot of civilians in Southern Ireland though before we got it back

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The army sure did kill alot of civilians in Southern Ireland though before we got it back

Going back hundreds of years, yes... 800 years of the Fecking English and all that. I'm talking about since the Troubles. Since people became actually aware of what's going on in the world through mass media.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Going back hundreds of years, yes... 800 years of the Fecking English and all that. I'm talking about since the Troubles. Since people became actually aware of what's going on in the world through mass media.

You don't have to go back hundreds of years, we remember the fallen of the First World War, but not of 1916 ?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You don't have to go back hundreds of years, we remember the fallen of the First World War, but not of 1916 ?

an Inconvenient history

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You don't have to go back hundreds of years, we remember the fallen of the First World War, but not of 1916 ?

You do? When a lot of those WW1 Irish soldiers returned to Ireland they were shunned, even buy their families, for siding with the British... if you want to talk about inconvenient truths.

I have always thought what happened in 1916 was a bloody travesty for the Irish people, and a shameful episode in British history, but it seems that be even talking about this is upsetting you and Niamh so... that's me done.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

You do? When a lot of those WW1 Irish soldiers returned to Ireland they were shunned, even buy their families, for siding with the British... if you want to talk about inconvenient truths.

I have always thought what happened in 1916 was a bloody travesty for the Irish people, and a shameful episode in British history, but it seems that be even talking about this is upsetting you and Niamh so... that's me done.

And I can totally understand why considering what was going on in Ireland at the time, that isn't an inconvenient truth, why would you think it was?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

You do? When a lot of those WW1 Irish soldiers returned to Ireland they were shunned, even buy their families, for siding with the British... if you want to talk about inconvenient truths.

I have always thought what happened in 1916 was a bloody travesty for the Irish people, and a shameful episode in British history, but it seems that be even talking about this is upsetting you and Niamh so... that's me done.

I'm not upset I find it interesting, we can't whitewash history and it doesn't matter how long ago it was it is what shapes a country, I don't expect anyone would want to whitewash the holocaust in 300 years, 400 years, 1,000 years, history is important, good and bad.

Nice to see I'm off ignore

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Going back hundreds of years, yes... 800 years of the Fecking English and all that. I'm talking about since the Troubles. Since people became actually aware of what's going on in the world through mass media.

I'm not talking about 800 years ago, I'm talking about the 1920's, where is the line drawn here?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not talking about 800 years ago, I'm talking about the 1920's, where is the line drawn here?

Well, I was drawing the line from The Troubles. I can see I'm stirring up something here so I'm out.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The army sure did kill alot of civilians in Southern Ireland though before we got it back

That gets forgotten conveniently