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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well for me Corbyn walked this one.
Owen Smith came across to me, really poor.

Having said that, the problem with Corbyn is, he has passion but fails to project that a PMQs particularly and when debating ,such as on the EU referendum.
If he could address that, he could be more effective.

Owen Smith has a good delivery but is off putting in how he conducts himself generally.

Neither in my view, will lead Labour to an election victory but I do think now possibly Corbyn is the one who could do enough to remove the Conservatives overall majority status in said election, not one held in the next year or so.
Why, in the main because he does offer at least a totally alternative message.

Labour is now backing the election of MPs to the shadow cabinet how it used to be,rather than the Leader choosing them.
If that comes into play and he was elected by MPs and Conference, is Owen smith going to throw that back at those voting for him.

However, definitely tonight, this was a substantial win for Corbyn in my view.

Neither of them came across well. Corbin's ideas about defence are frightening and naive. The main point is that it isn't about Labour supporters it's about winning over other votes to get into power. There is no way either of these men can do that.