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Originally Posted by Kizzy

What I take from his teaching is that freedoms in certain sectors are exploited and it is the duty of those within the society to take action to stop the rot of corruption, however when that corruption is happening from the top down...it becomes impossible.
If they were held accountable, and those in govt and business were as culpable as the common man then that would show that there is a balance of justice, which is the bedrock of democracy.

For me this is why the ruling of the supreme court on brexit was so pivotal, it showed that the law of the land has the power over governments too, it sent a powerful message that we are a democracy and that was it at work in it's purest form.
constituencies can be doctored, voting tampered with, media influenced but judges take everything down to the bare bones and look at what is constitutionally sacrosanct.

I believe that freedoms and rights are a necessity within a democracy, however that does not stretch to deregulation or self regulation of powerful organisations, there must be safeguards against corruption to prevent this risking the stability of the nation.
My feeling is that Platos 'democracy without virtue' is what we are witnessing now, nothing is for the greater good, rather to maximise profit, that may be seen as an acceptable norm today and nobody is 'virtuous' which may be true...less is not more, more is more.

This comes at a cost, as more and more people are disadvantaged and the haves turn a blind eye to the have nots, the scope of the have nots has grown from a gap to a gulf.
I pity this generation with a millstone of debt for daring to secure a degree, unable to find affordable housing, crippled with record energy, living and fuel costs, what of their democracy, our legacy to them is that democracy has failed...it hasn't, we have failed democracy.

Fantastic post Kizzy. I'm so glad you've joined in this debate

The erosion of civil liberties, the collapse of political freedoms and the rise of neo-nazi thinkers, its not freedom, its fraud.

When economic interest overpowers your vote and a tenth of the 1% of the richest people in America, controls the decisions made by millions of people and nobody without political privilege can get involved and when the 70% of the American population do not have any kind of influence on the policies in their country they no longer live in a democracy that represents its people.

" land only becomes a democracy when the poor are victorious

Yes, America are living in a failed democracy and its only those with survival instincts that are asking, "what the fcuks going on?...

What we have to remember is, Britain is in the habit of hanging off the American coattails and the oligarchs that are presently ruling this country could so easily tip the balance.