[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Withano

Thats less encouraging that youre presuming it is. Lot of young women feel as if their natural boobs are not in proportion with the rest of their body, and youre still suggesting that slimmer women with larger boobs look desperate (although credit where its due, you havent criticised unnatural looking boobs both ways, just the one). Youre literally still encouraging body issues. And many others do too, and these people, in my opinion, are the main issue.

So in your opinion anyone with an issue with their body should be able to get NHS funding for whatever they feel is wrong about themselves? I can hear the NHS grinding to a halt at the thought of it.
Not all who seek help with breast size are ego driven or feel that it will grant them instant sex appeal, but many do. If it is so important to these people, then let them save up and pay for it themselves, while the NHS does the job it was intended for, which is saving lives.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

So in your opinion anyone with an issue with their body should be able to get NHS funding for whatever they feel is wrong about themselves? I can hear the NHS grinding to a halt at the thought of it.
Not all who seek help with breast size are ego driven or feel that it will grant them instant sex appeal, but many do. If it is so important to these people, then let them save up and pay for it themselves, while the NHS does the job it was intended for, which is saving lives.

People are always gonna have disproportionate chests to their body, and people will always criticise this, this will always create depression in some people.
Im more asking for a solution, do you have one? You are also, like Brillo, suggesting things that clinically depressed women should not do, without suggesting anything that they should do.
This is incredibly simplistic and narrow-minded. Please complete your argument.
What should a clinically depressed woman do next, if not surgery.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

People are always gonna have disproportionate chests to their body, and people will always criticise this, this will always create depression in some people.
Im more asking for a solution, do you have one? You are also suggesting things that clinically depressed women should not do, without suggesting anything that they should do.
What should a clinically depressed woman do next, if not surgery.

Isn't it obvious - see a shrink.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Isn't it obvious - see a shrink.

One, thats more costly on the NHS than surgery is, so that also defeats your point
Two, if they are clinically depressed, they likely already have.
Next suggestion.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

People are always gonna have disproportionate chests to their body, and people will always criticise this, this will always create depression in some people.
Im more asking for a solution, do you have one? You are also, like Brillo, suggesting things that clinically depressed women should not do, without suggesting anything that they should do.
This is incredibly simplistic and narrow-minded. Please complete your argument.
What should a clinically depressed woman do next, if not surgery.

Answer this then - who should get priority on the NHS a woman insecure about her appearance or someone who needs life-saving surgery. There is not enough money for both. Many women feel insecure about their appearance during their life but they get past it, they do not resort to surgery.

She either sees a doctor about her depression (it is unlikely she would be clinically depressed, less hysteria please) and/or she saves hard or gets a bank loan/payment plan to get it done if that important to her. Such a case is NOT deserving of limited NHS funding.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Answer this then - who should get priority on the NHS a woman insecure about her appearance or someone who needs life-saving surgery. There is not enough money for both. Many women feel insecure about their appearance during their life but they get past it, they do not resort to surgery.

She either sees a doctor about her depression (it is unlikely she would be clinically depressed, less hysteria please) and/or she saves hard or gets a bank loan/payment plan to get it done if that important to her. Such a case is NOT deserving of limited NHS funding.

I'm sorry, I dont see the point in answering a hypothetical question. Thats not helpful to the discussion or any of the clinically depressed (google that phrase before your next post) young women, who are this way, because people (like you) continue to bodyshame based on the size of their chest.

Short story is - people like you will always criticise others on their hody
This will always cause depression
Depression is real, and something that the NHS does and should always deal with
The only suggestion you have given for these sufferers is more costly on the NHS
And Id refer you back to my original point

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'm sorry, I dont see the point in answering a hypothetical question. Thats not helpful to the discussion or any of the clinically depressed (google that phrase before your next post) young women, who are this way, because people (like you) continue to bodyshame based on the size of their chest.

Short story is - people like you will always criticise others on their hody
This will always cause depression
Depression is real, and something that the NHS does and should always deal with
And Id refer you back to my original point

I find your comments irresponsible. Do you understand the difference between a poor body image/mild depression and clinical depression. Advising a woman who was clinically depressed to have a boob job as the answer to her problems would be gross misconduct if you were a medical professional - it would be like putting a sticking plaster on a shot gun wound.

Someone with clinical depression needs expert psychological help whereas someone thinking big boobs will get them more male attention or more work can damn well pay for them themselves or maybe get some sucker to pay for them for them.

The Hugh increase in women getting boob jobs these days is not about clinical depression it's about attention. Boob jobs, Botox and the resulting trout pouts and liposuction are all a quick fix for vain women too lazy to work hard at improving their appearance in safer, more natural ways.

Surgery has become almost as common today as wearing make-up. If women want it it they pay for it and I think you would find that by far the majority of people would agree with that. NHS treatment is not there to finance women's insecurities and vanity.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I find your comments irresponsible. Do you understand the difference between a poor body image/mild depression and clinical depression. Advising a woman who was clinically depressed to have a boob job as the answer to her problems would be gross misconduct if you were a medical professional - it would be like putting a sticking plaster on a shot gun wound.

Someone with clinical depression needs expert psychological help whereas someone thinking big boobs will get them more male attention or more work can damn well pay for them themselves or maybe get some sucker to pay for them for them.

The Hugh increase in women getting boob jobs these days is not about clinical depression it's about attention. Boob jobs, Botox and the resulting trout pouts and liposuction are all a quick fix for vain women too lazy to work hard at improving their appearance in safer, more natural ways.

Surgery has become almost as common today as wearing make-up. If women want it it they pay for it and I think you would find that by far the majority of people would agree with that. NHS treatment is not there to finance women's insecurities and vanity.

If they are clinically depressed, they have likely gone through therapeutic treatment, if the NHS are suggesting surgery, it was probably unsuccessful. Christ, it must be so easy for you with naturally proportionate boobs, throwing insults at those that dont, and then throw about suggestions on how they should live heir life after making them feel less about themselves in the first place.

You are literally being the problem and fighting against a solution at the same time. Awful. Claiming that clinically depressed women want attention, after bodyshamers (like you) have made them be this way is just awful.

If i gave you the impression that I'm against therapy, I'm not by the way. But it isnt an end-all solution, it is regularly unsuccessful, and rarely free, the sufferers would likely pay to be there, unless they are part of psychological research. If sufferers come out of therapy still depressed and if the sufferer and the NHS believe that surgery will stop, or mimimise that (obviously they both do, or this discussion wouldnt exist) then i am all for that. Why you want these sufferers to remain depressed indefinitely is beyond me.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

If they are clinically depressed, they have likely gone through therapeutic treatment, if the NHS are suggesting surgery, it was probably unsuccessful. Christ, it must be so easy for you with naturally proportionate boobs, throwing insults at those that dont, and then throw about suggestions on how they should live heir life after making them feel less about themselves in the first place.

You are literally being the problem and fighting against a solution at the same time. Awful. Claiming that clinically depressed women want attention, after bodyshamers (like you) have made them be this way is just awful.

If i gave you the impression that I'm against therapy, I'm not by the way. But it isnt an end-all solution, it is regularly unsuccessful, and rarely free, the sufferers would likely pay to be there, unless they are part of psychological research. If sufferers come out of therapy still depressed and if the sufferer and the NHS believe that surgery will stop, or mimimise that (obviously they both do, or this discussion wouldnt exist) then i am all for that. Why you want these sufferers to remain depressed indefinitely is beyond me.

I don't think you understand how short of money the NHS is. People are having operations cancelled and people are not receiving certain medications that are vital to the treatment of their condition because it is too expensive - people's lives are at risk because of a lack of money but you want to fund boob jobs for vain women. If a woman is genuinely depressed she needs proper treatment for what is an illness not a boob job.

I'm done now because your reasoning is unreasonable.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The Hugh increase in women getting boob jobs these days is not about clinical depression it's about attention. Boob jobs, Botox and the resulting trout pouts and liposuction are all a quick fix for vain women too lazy to work hard at improving their appearance in safer, more natural ways.

Its becoming less and less fashionable to have big boobs. In fact a lot of women who had boob jobs in the past are spending their money having them reduced. The new big thing is designer vaginas.

Surgery has become almost as common today as wearing make-up. If women want it it they pay for it and I think you would find that by far the majority of people would agree with that. NHS treatment is not there to finance women's insecurities and vanity.

I agree with this. There are women in their 20s having botox and contour implants and their teeth whitened and canines filed down. I look at such women and think, 'you are going to have a terrible time growing old'

I don't think just anyone should be able to have boob implants on the NHS but there has to be exceptions. I also think that people who are missing their front teeth and have no confidence, should, if they can't afford it, get help to fix that smile on the NHS.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its becoming less and less fashionable to have big boobs. In fact a lot of women who had boob jobs in the past are spending their money having them reduced. The new big thing is designer vaginas.


I agree with this. There are women in their 20s having botox and contour implants and their teeth whitened and canines filed down. I look at such women and think, 'you are going to have a terrible time growing old'

I don't think just anyone should be able to have boob implants on the NHS but there has to be exceptions. I also think that people who are missing their front teeth and have no confidence, should, if they can't afford it, get help to fix that smile on the NHS.

Designer vaginas - god forbid. As long no one expects the NHS to finance them.

Didn't Gemma Collins have one of them. I don't get it. If I was a man I wouldn't be attracted to her for many reasons but certainly a designer vagina wouldn't change that , if anything it would put me off because I would find it superficial and desperate.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its becoming less and less fashionable to have big boobs. In fact a lot of women who had boob jobs in the past are spending their money having them reduced. The new big thing is designer vaginas.


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* phones GP *

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Withano

People are always gonna have disproportionate chests to their body, and people will always criticise this, this will always create depression in some people.
Im more asking for a solution, do you have one? You are also, like Brillo, suggesting things that clinically depressed women should not do, without suggesting anything that they should do.
This is incredibly simplistic and narrow-minded. Please complete your argument.
What should a clinically depressed woman do next, if not surgery.

My solution iwould be to campaign to change society's perception of what 'beauty' means. Instead of going along with the idea that 'beauty' is fake boobs, fake butts, duck pouts etc., By you saying 'Let them have boob jobs' you are just feeding into this unrealistic and totally fake idea of beauty.
As for the solution to people becoming depressed because other people may or may not make comments about their chest size, there isn't one. People have to learn not to care what other people think.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

My solution iwould be to campaign to change society's perception of what 'beauty' means. Instead of going along with the idea that 'beauty' is fake boobs, fake butts, duck pouts etc., By you saying 'Let them have boob jobs' you are just feeding into this unrealistic and totally fake idea of beauty.
As for the solution to people becoming depressed because other people may or may not make comments about their chest size, there isn't one. People have to learn not to care what other people think.

I feel like your good intentions are there, I just think its very difficult to suggest that this is more effective than surgery. The NHS, and the patients clearly deem surgery beneficial under some circumstances otherwise this conversation would not exist.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Withano

I feel like your good intentions are there, I just think its very difficult to suggest that this is more effective than surgery. The NHS, and the patients clearly deem surgery beneficial under some circumstances otherwise this conversation would not exist.

Its immoral to waste money on plastic boobs ahead of channelling into life saving areas. Many thousands of people die whilst awaiting treatment on the nhs due to shortage of funding. We must prioritise and plastic boobs are way down the bottom of a long list of priorities.